I appreciate your overall response, I’m going to try and address the above.

Saying the United States is partially to blame does leave a bad taste in ones mouth. I recall the same taste every time Obama made excuses for Muslims attacking and killing people.

RE Mueller’s probe......not one of those indictments were related to collusion, hacking or meddling with Russia.

Why cozy up / no tongue lashing?

I believe it’s reasonable enough to assume our President thought this was the best course of action after their first meeting. Not so much to avoid nuclear war, but possibly a step toward addressing the atrocities occurring in Syria. Applying pressure to Putin while at the same time offering a path to change.

It could all be for not, time wasted......but after the considerations given last month, it just seems logical to do the same this month.



I feel ya, Skuj!

Just to be clear, these are the same Intelligence Agencies that lied to The American People about survelling our activities......collecting our data and websites we visit......shaping our profiles based on things we’ve been saying in this thread?

A direct violation of our Construction! (4th amendment).

Is it the same Intelligence Agency that lied about hacking Angela Merkel’s phone?

These transgressions and violations taking place under Obama & Hillary’s watch. YES - I believe they had things so screwed up that President Trump’s statements were 100% TRUTH!!!



September 11, 2001

So, even if I accept that the Int Agencies have done these/some bad things, that means Trump should just trash them and take Putin's word, right? Because Putin is a wonderful guy and everything the American Int agencies do is wrong?

Please tell me that 9/11 link isn't another inside-job/conspiracy thing.

I always see Islamaphobia in your posts. It makes me ill. Have you travelled? It may shock you to hear this, but 99.999% of Muslims are good people. It really is true!!!

It is, but I don't know if it was posted because it is believed by the poster, or just as an example of historical gullibility.

I'm desperately trying to understand this whole Carter Page thing, and why that stuff was released.

And if you think it is laughable that he could be a spy and that the FBI are just so stupid, check out Philby at his Press Conference in 1955.

Social media has shown me there are shitheads on both sides of the major political spectrums. Republicans try to feel better about themselves by showing the shit democrats have pulled, democrats showing the shit republicans have pulled.


Just makes both parties look worse than they could be viewed.

This is fucking mind boggling:

http://thehill.com/business-a-lobbyi...use-its-a-hoax

The Int Agencies made a very detailed presentation during the transition. Comey talked about it. Clapper talked about it. The current Directors do not think it is a hoax.

But none of that matters in Trumpworld, does it?

Because Putin & Russia were doing the same things in 2011 Under Obama & Hillary’s watch and no one did anything about it then......because the Democrats won???

Wait....you make that argument while posting a link that explains why Putin hates Clinton so much.

Am I missing something?

Are you not making my argument?

OK, this fucker's not even making a shred of sense anymore — what the fuck is a "rigged witch-hunt"?

Noun
witch-hunt (plural witch-hunts)

— An attempt to find and publicly punish a group of people perceived as a threat, usually on ideological or political grounds.

— A public smear-campaign against an individual.

So, by definition, a witch-hunt is already bullshit (duh). If you rig the fuckin' thing, whaddaya get? A legit investigation? Ohhhh, maybe he's onto something after all... ;)

hello. is this you?



you’ve never worked in sales, have you?

The DOJ indicts twelve GRU officials, currently living in Russia, for fucking with the United States' 2016 presidential election. The U.S.'s State Secretary does not demand their extradition.

The DOJ indicts a Russian national, currently living in the U.S., for "acting as an agent of Russia inside the United States by developing relationships with U.S. persons and infiltrating organizations having influence in American Republican and conservative politics—such as the National Rifle Association, the National Prayer Breakfast and conservative religious organizations—for the purpose of advancing the interests of the Russian Federation". Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov tells fat fuck Mike Pompeo to release her ASAP.

This is all so fucking GLAMOROUS. Not.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/13/w...ssian-gru.html

https://news.google.com/search?q=GRU...S&ceid=US%3Aen

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/07/19/p...uns/index.html

https://news.google.com/topics/CAAqK...S&ceid=US%3Aen

I'm seizing on this point because it's an important one.

1- People broke the law

2- Mueller's investigation discovered this

Whether or not these indictments had anything directly to do with collusion is irrelevant.

If one cares at all about law and order, one should applaud Mueller's success in catching law-breakers.

"Mueller is wasting his time if he's zeroing in on Trump, but I'm sure glad he's caught some baddies along the way" is a perfectly reasonable statement. But I never hear it.

All I hear is "Shut it down."

And yes, Hillary killed Seth Rich and hundreds of others while her husband fucked little boys, but that's another issue and doesn't mean everyone who now breaks the law gets a pass.

Mariiiiia Iiiiina Buttova assisted in transferring money from Torshin and Putin, thru the NRA to the Trumpsterfire campaign

btw, this is all you need for bitey peltie, he's a paid russian bot, just like symob and ditch residing testiela, just be Puttin on ignore

Dana Bash said that, according to her reporting, Cohen has compromising tapes of conversations with his other clients.

PLEASE LET IT BE HANNITY
PLEASE LET IT BE HANNITY
PLEASE LET IT BE HANNITY

The push-back against former Intel people who dare to speak up has taken on new lows:

http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...cials-security

Huckabee/Trump etc want you to believe that no major presentations to Team Trump on what the Russians actually did took place. I suppose Comey and Clapper are flat-out lying when they details these things. Or maybe Trump just doesn't remember those briefings. Yeah....that must be it.

Every day I am surprised and horrified, even in the Age Of Trump, at how low these people will go and the lies they will spew. And I'm even more surprised that millions will eat this shit up.

I cannot imagine a more dishonest evil POTUS. Surely this is the bottom, right? It will never be worse than this?

Every limbo boy and girl
All around the limbo world
Gonna do the limbo rock
All around the limbo clock
Jack be limbo, Jack be quick
Jack go unda limbo stick
All around the limbo clock
Hey, let's do the limbo rock

Limbo lower now
Limbo LOWER now
HOW LOW CAN YOU GO...

By the by, on Saturday I was watching Axelrod's interview with Mitch Landrieu (I'm really liking this guy, but who the fuck knows what will happen — we still have a wakazillion years of Trumpocalypse) but THEN they up and cut to breaking news because some asshole in L.A. (armed, of course; God bless the squirt-of-shit that is the Second Amendment in the U.S. — the greatest country in the WORLD!) decided to storm a Trader Joe's. Bollocks...

Hooooo yeah...

12 audio files sent to prosecutors in Michael Cohen probe

PLEASE LET IT BE HANNITY
PLEASE LET IT BE HANNITY
PLEASE LET IT BE HANNITY

Dood, Google Images is your fwend...

Tower to the skies
An academy of lies
And what goes up
Surely must come down
And we felt the mighty blow-up
With the walls coming down
Or something like thaaat...

Robert Pollard is a golden visionary GOD!

Cracks me up when some news orgs say "This is approaching Nixonian levels" in response to Trump demonization of Int people.

As if Trump's mischaracterization of the FACTS that were presented to him by DNI/FBI etc was somehow much less than Nixon's "smoking gun".

Oh how times have changed.

The current POTUS can spew a lie per minute and it doesn't fucking matter, does it?

So, the judge who is determining the attorney client privelidge issues for the Cohen seizures is Kimba Wood..for those who don’t know, Clinton’s 2nd AG nominee, before Janet Reno got the job....she was sandbagged by Repubes due to LEGALLY hiring of a non documented housekeeper (aka Nannygate).

So....

“this gum wrapper? Inadmissable!”
“this Papa John’s pizza box? inadmissable!”
“these 16 portable hard drives, 6 iPads and 14 phones? Admissible!”

Maybe we can look forward to Merrick Garland ruling on some corruption cases soon...

"I’m very concerned that Russia will be fighting very hard to have an impact on the upcoming Election. Based on the fact that no President has been tougher on Russia than me, they will be pushing very hard for the Democrats. They definitely don’t want Trump!"

Classic Trump

i don’t fucking know how suckers keep believing him, but they do

incomprehensible

Yep, just turn the script (ie facts) around, and presto! We have a new story.

The mid-term will be rigged, and Putin helped the Dems.

You will hear this a million times now.

Peltor and tesla will start saying it.

here’s the one that’s making my brain explode:

trump just tweeted a $12 billion rescue package for farmers harmed by his idiotic tariffs

so, basically, he’s turned a prosperous industry into a soviet nightmare that drains the economy

who will pay for it? not him, as he doesn’t pay taxes (“that makes him smart”)

socialism, republican style... fmlx20

The best tariffs.

It's about time someone on cable news said the truth. Trump's "support" among voters is far less than 25% of the electorate, and it's shrinking. But you wouldn't know that listening to the mainstream media's obsession with "The elusive Trump Voter." (This isn't Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom, people.) How about paying some attention to the needs and desires of the majority who find Trump to be illegitimate and terrible? That doesn't get ratings does it kthxbye.

And thanks to Lawrence O'Donnell and John Heilemann for having this conversation:

LAWRENCE O'DONNELL: A new poll shows that the president's approval rating is far below a majority. But 88% of Republicans say they support the president. Unfortunately, in most of the media, they never do the math on what that actually means, since only 26% of voters are Republicans.

JOHN HEILEMANN: Here we go.

O'DONNELL: 88% of 26% is something like 23%...

HEILEMANN: Yeah.

O'DONNELL: ...of voters support Donald Trump.

HEILEMANN: The Republican party is shrinking. Man, you talk about getting abused by Fox News. I'm going to get abused for saying that.

O'DONNELL: That's just a numerical fact.

HEILEMANN: This will be the third time today I talk about this. We spend a lot of time on the Trump supporter. It is the way to try to understand what Trump is doing. It explains a lot of his tactical maneuvers and his long-term plan to try to survive the onslaught he is facing right now on a variety of legal fronts. But in the end, the country is not with Donald Trump.

O'DONNELL: Right.

HEILEMANN: And we normally, in every election I have ever covered, we focus on moderate voters, swing voters. We focus on all kinds of voters that make that difference in elections. Now all we talk about is the Trump base, the Trump voters. Instead of focussing on the fact that the ABC News Poll today said 75% of the American people are against him attacking NATO. The vast majority is against Trump on these major issues. We have to focus on his supporters because it is so important to what he's doing in the White House. We also have to focus on the bigger picture, which is that the country is not with him.

I have a really hard time believing 25%. I wish it was true. But, I dunno....

He sounded positively desperate at the Veterans thing today. "Just believe me, never the news" type thing. He always pushed that, of course, but now he sounds very sad and worried.

26% of voters are Republican? Really?? I dunno Man.....

don’t contradict ilducio on any point or he’ll call you a trump lackey and put you on ignore haaa haa haa.

but he’s about right— registered democrats are about 30%

the largest block is actually registered as independent at 42%

oh yeah

but guess what— independents tend to lean republican, so they make up the difference.

a lot of independents voted for trump unfortunately. yeah. and they will continue unless the democrats put forward a better proposition.

think about it. many classic republicans like, say, george will, have repudiated trump because he’s anathema to many conservative principles.

trump’s base is from neither here nor there— many trumpets voted for obama before. yeah. republican politicians are cowardly riding his wave (or cowardly retiring like the speaker of the house) but THE MULE (see asimov’s FOUNDATION for reference, lol) is pulling populists from all parts.

the trumpet used to be a registered democrat actually. true story.

he’s not a principled person but an opportunist though.

i could share some interesting links of stuff i’ve been reading about this whole mess, and i read from all parts of the (reasonable) spectrum because i want a clear picture of reality, but that doesn’t sit well with der komissar, lol, so read at your own peril.

ps- i sometimes even read from the unreasonable spectrum like breitbart to know wtf they’re thinking because in my wildest nightmares i myself can’t come up with the sort of shit they publish

eg the breitbart headline at this moment is that the trump-endorsed candidate beat the non-trumpet in the georgia governor runoff election.

*shudder*

—

meanwhile, look at interviews with young republicans featured in yesterday’s washington post

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...nd-with-trump/

I have quick look at Fox every day. It makes me ill to think that millions eat that shit up.

So.....CNN got Cohen's tape!! I don't know if it has smoking gun shit on it, and I won't listen to a single word that fuckwad Giuliani says. (I actually admired that man....once.)

But it's safe to say that Cohen has turned on Trump.

Everyone who comes into Trump's orbit will end up smelling like shit.

Thanks a lot Soup for the higher resolution image. I had been trying to find myself, but my Google skills are apparently lacking ;)



As I work in the automotive industry, this is what worries me very very much. This is a Google translation of a Dutch press article of this morning, with some minor editing by myself. I guess you guys do not have an expression "sweat the breast" (meaning something like buckle up)?

Recently, special counsel Robert Mueller indicted a dozen Russian operatives working in Russia for hacking into the DNC mail server and sending the emails to Wikileaks. Meanwhile, said server is nowhere to be found (it’s been misplaced) while the time stamps on the files that were published on Wikileaks show that they were obtained by copying to a thumb drive rather than sending them over the internet. Thus, this was a leak, not a hack, and couldn’t have been done by anyone working remotely from Russia

and who killed Seth Rich?

CrowdStrike, the company the DNC brought in to initially investigate and remediate the hack, actually shared images of the DNC servers with the FBI.

For the purposes of an investigation of this type, images are much more useful than handing over metal and hardware, because they are bit-by-bit copies of a crime scene taken while the crime was going on.

Live hard drive and memory snapshots of blinking, powered-on machines in a network reveal significantly more forensic data than some powered-off server removed from a network. It’s the difference between watching a house over time, carefully noting down who comes and goes and when and how, versus handing over a key to a lonely boarded-up building.

By physically handing over a server to the FBI as Trump suggested, the DNC would in fact have destroyed evidence. (Besides, there wasn’t just one server, but 140.)

25% is correct per Gallup, been that way for a while, 30% Dem, rest are “independents”

Photos Show Chinese Factory Workers Making 'Trump 2020' Flags



What?

RE - Shut It Down

Like yourself, I too can applaud Muller for finding justic for some law breakers in this investigation. However, I posted the following on March 22. I still believe Muller (C) is so far outside the scope of his authority:


Many (me included) believe because Muller hasn’t shown one bit of evidence to the American People regarding collusion, he is wasting time and millions of dollars trying to get anyone TRUMP related on anything. YES - a few have fallen on their swords for crimes in no way tied to Russia or the campaign, but that’s not what Muller was charged with finding.

Many (me included) believe Muller is now trying to get President Trump on Obstruction Of Justice charges......again, Muller has produced NOTHING!!!
Many of the Russian companies Muller indicated are now showing up in U.S. Courts demanding to see the evidence against them and Muller won’t show up in Court.

These Russian companies are calling Muller’s bluff and it appears he has a losing poker hand!



Thanks TW2113 for realizing and showing there are at least two options to my post. I’m afraid skuj and many others are so blindsided they often don’t see or understand the difference......and because they are so short sided, they respond by attacking.


Just simply pointing out some version of this happened before and none of you moaned, groaned and carried on so......because a Democrat won?