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Anyone heard of any asteroids or something similar that should take out humanity as we know it? We could use it.

I know I've said this before, but, whatever......

Trump should be impeached for this evening's tweetstorm alone. It's full of bullshit, which of course he will not explain or answer to. Just getting these lies out is enough for this asshole. This fucking moron who is clearly unfit for the job, and is destroying the country.

Additionally, he is clearly in panic mode now. He knows what Cohen and Mueller has. This next two weeks is going to be very ugly, and very enlightening.

This is the real turning point, folks.

If Cohen tells/has already told Mueller that Trump OK'd the meeting with the Russians at Drumpf Tower, it should be game over IF THE UNITED STATES WEREN'T CHOCK-FULL OF IDIOTS. Too big of an if, Skuj.

Zakaria's latest:

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THE TRUMP TWO-STEP STRIKES AGAIN

Listen closely. That sound you heard at Wednesday's joint news conference between the presidents of the European Commission and the United States was Donald Trump backtracking once again. This has become a familiar routine. It goes something like this: Begin by hurling insults at the other side, some of which have a basis in reality but are mostly wild exaggerations. Threaten extreme consequences. Then meet with the other side, backpedal and triumphantly announce that you have saved the world from a crisis that your rhetoric and actions caused in the first place. Call it the Trump two-step.

Think about Trump's actions with regard to North Korea. He began by calling Kim Jong Un "a madman who doesn't mind starving or killing his people" and threatening "fire and fury . . . the likes of which this world has never seen before." He solved his own crisis by making unilateral concessions to Kim and gushing about how the North Korean people "love" their absolute dictator and how he, Trump, trusts him. The same pattern applies with the European Union, which he only recently described as "worse than our enemies." Now, he tells us, after meeting with European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker, that the E.U. and America truly "love each other." Expect to hear a similar climb-down on China one of these days.

For Trump, there is no cost to this strategy, because his words are weightless. He starts with what he described in "The Art of the Deal" as "truthful hyperbole" (as opposed to the many outright falsehoods that he also tells) and then, when confronted, adjusts to something closer to reality.

There are those who assert that Trump's seemingly bizarre and unpredictable behavior is actually all part of a canny and wise strategy, that he is playing a kind of four-dimensional chess, operating in space-time. Well, if so, he is getting beaten badly here on Earth. In none of these situations has he actually been able to extract real concessions. His usual approach is to announce something vague, as with North Korea and the trade talks with Europe, or something already in place, such as NATO members' promise to spend 2 percent of their gross domestic product on defense by 2024, and claim it as a victory.

But there is a cost to this bluster and flip-flopping. Trump is creating a reputation for the United States as erratic, unpredictable, unreliable and fundamentally hostile to the global order. Leader after leader in Europe has made this clear. George Osborne told me that when he was Britain's finance minister, you knew "the United States president had your back." Neither Britain nor any other country can be sure of this anymore. As Donald Tusk, president of the European Council, put it, "With friends like that who needs enemies[?] . . . We [realize] that if you need a helping hand, you will find one at the end of your arm."

Economist Adam S. Posen argues that countries are now bypassing the United States and constructing a "post-American world economy." You can see this in the flurry of trade agreements that don't include the United States, from the Trans-Pacific Partnership, which was signed minus America, to the trade deal the E.U. just struck with Japan. Many others are in the works.

The most dramatic indication of the world sidestepping the United States, Posen says, is the decline in foreign investment. "It's fallen off a cliff," he told me. On average, net foreign investment into the United States has dropped by half since 2016. "The decline is all the more worrying," Posen writes in Foreign Affairs, "since many factors should have been pushing direct investment in the United States up this year. The massive fiscal stimulus passed by Congress should have increased [foreign investment] in three ways: by boosting spending, which increases U.S. growth prospects; by making the tax code more favorable to production in the United States; and by cutting the corporate tax rate."

Perhaps some of the decline in investment is part of a longer-term trend — other countries are growing faster than the United States. But for decades, that reality has been countered by another reality — that among the world's rich nations, the United States was unique in having good growth prospects coupled with stable, predictable, pro-market policies. Trump's attacks on trade and allies, his willingness to punish and reward individual companies, and his general unreliability all add up to a picture of policymaking that looks more like that of an erratic developing country run by a strongman. The difference is, America's strongman has the power to disrupt the entire global economy.

(c) 2018, Washington Post Writers Group

https://fareedzakaria.com/columns/20...-strikes-again

Here we go:

Rudy Giuliani just obliterated the goal posts on Trump-Russia collusion

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"I don't even know if that's a crime — colluding with Russians," Giuliani said on CNN. "Hacking is the crime. The president didn't hack. He didn't pay for the hacking."

No, seriously, HE DID SAY THAT.

Patriot Prayer's Portland rally site could allow supporters to bring guns

https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/...and_rally.html

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Originally Posted by ilduclo

Patriot Prayer's Portland rally site could allow supporters to bring guns

Your boys antifa are calling for people to come and bring guns to assault the free speech people with whom they disagree.

it is funny you don't see antifa at bohemian grove or at the fed or at bank of americas, they are just focused on physically attacking other americans exercising free speech. it is telling that the crew on this board that constantly attack me promote this kind of violence against peaceable people exercising freedom of speech.

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Originally Posted by Fareed Zakaria

This has become a familiar routine. It goes something like this: Begin by hurling insults at the other side, some of which have a basis in reality but are mostly wild exaggerations. Threaten extreme consequences. Then meet with the other side, backpedal and triumphantly announce that you have saved the world from a crisis that your rhetoric and actions caused in the first place. Call it the Trump two-step.

Think about Trump's actions with regard to North Korea. He began by calling Kim Jong Un "a madman who doesn't mind starving or killing his people" and threatening "fire and fury . . . the likes of which this world has never seen before." He solved his own crisis by making unilateral concessions to Kim and gushing about how the North Korean people "love" their absolute dictator and how he, Trump, trusts him. The same pattern applies with the European Union, which he only recently described as "worse than our enemies." Now, he tells us, after meeting with European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker, that the E.U. and America truly "love each other." Expect to hear a similar climb-down on China one of these days.

And here we go again:

Trump says he would certainly meet Iran's Rouhani

Why the fuck would Iran come to the table now, after Trump nixed the deal? Who should trust in American deal-making now?

By the way, how's that whole Iran nuclear thing going ever since Trump nixed the deal? Are we safer now?

How about Kim and NK? Everything working out?

I see Intelligence in my job. I can assure anyone who thinks that I am not Fake News that both of those dealings made things worse, not better.

Worst of all, if Trump actually paid attention to the PDB, he would understand that he fucked up on both accounts.

But, he doesn't care about reality. Perception is everything.

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Originally Posted by Skuj

Why the fuck would Iran come to the table now, after Trump nixed the deal? Who should trust in American deal-making now?

How about Kim and NK? Everything working out?

Oh, things are just

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North Korea reportedly appears to be building one or two new intercontinental missiles

https://news.google.com/stories/CAAq...S&ceid=US%3Aen

Pompeo lists conditions for talks with Iran, just hours after Trump said he had no 'preconditions'

https://news.google.com/stories/CAAq...S&ceid=US%3Aen

This shitshow is off the fuckin' charts.

Mattis always looks exhausted, and Kelly always looks embarrassed.

One of the great mysteries of our time is, how did so many seemingly very intelligent people sell their souls to Trumpism?

I think Pompeo is a very intelligent guy, who knows better, but he has chosen this path.

Why?

How?

not Pompeo. He's deep in the Tea Party racist wing of the R party. And also a military industrial guy. He's a creep as are the 2 generals you're citing.

so general r. kelly is gonna stay with la trompeta's golden shower show till the end of his days, embarrassment or not

Trump is making all the millionaires and billionaires on both supposed "sides" tons of fucking money, and he will be making them more and more, especially if he manages to change the capital gains tax rules. The moment someone's personal wealth becomes more important than the collective good, that person becomes a Trumper.

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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator

The moment someone's personal wealth becomes more important than the collective good, that person becomes a Trumper.

"Collective Good" is an illusion. I used to believe in it, but personal experience, for instance on this board, has proven to me it is bullshit.

I'm not going to work today for the "Collective Good" - I'm going to work for my own self interest.

I'm not going to work today so the homeless can lay around jerking off in the subways, although this is what the "Resistance" considers normal. Of course, this "Resistance" thinks standing around in large groups turning on their cell phone lights at the same time is social change!

I've generally reasoned that I don't necessarily want handouts, I want an infrastructure and the tools in place for anyone of any social level, to use to pull themselves up in society, for those wanting to work for it. The opportunities to move up the economic and social ladders. I also accept and believe that we need a baseline/minimal "safety net" for those who simply do not have the ability to, whether it be physical or mental.

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Originally Posted by tesla69

taxes are used for the "collective good." Government exists SOLELY to pursue a "collective good."

puiblic roads, quality education, public parks, etc etc, are all for the "collective good" Get your head out of your ass.

Missing is the concept that self interest certainly includes the “socialistic” redistribution of personal funds to the serve the entire population. And, taking some sort of care of the homeless is part of that...and...it actually saves money...what does the Tesla wreck want to otherwise do? Incarcerate them? More costly, plus inhumane. Execute them? Well, there goes the “american experiment”

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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator

your free speech is gonna make him cry that you're "interfering with his free speech"

therefore soros free assange maga swarthy utes assange maga

watch...

It is so painfully obvious that both Trump and Giuliani have (rightfully) concluded that Mueller will be very very bad for them. And so....the tweetstorms that we saw this morning will intensify, because, fuck me, they work. What percentage of Americans now believe that Mueller is the bad guy?

I swear, America is doomed. This is all going to end very very badly, because the first instinct of your current POTUS is to twist the truth and facts to fit his sick, idiotic, criminal narrative.

Judge TS Elliot in the Manafart trial disallows descriptions and photos of items purchased and built by Paulie using illegal and tax evaded funds from Russians and can’t have the word “ oligarch” used in the courtroom. bcuz that would unnecessarily prejudice the jurors....he’s a Reagan appointee and is 78 years old...”I grow old, I grow old, shall I wear my ($28,000) trousers rolled..”

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Originally Posted by Skuj

It is so painfully obvious that both Trump and Giuliani have (rightfully) concluded that Mueller will be very very bad for them.

What percentage of Americans now believe that Mueller is

If it’s so obvious, why is it painful?

BOOM......far less than 50%!

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Originally Posted by Bytor Peltor

If it’s so obvious, why is it painful?

BOOM......far less than 50%!

Try again

You should know better (then again...) that ratings are such a variable. One poll varies to another and it just depends on who you ask.

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Originally Posted by Bytor Peltor

If it’s so obvious, why is it painful?

BOOM......far less than 50%!

You are showing me a Trump approval rating. What did I ask?

And yes....it is PAINFUL, because now they have reached the level of personal attacks on Mueller.

Fucking someone in the GOP say something. Ryan....do you have any balls whatsoever? Anyone?

On the flipside, tweets like that actually give Mueller more ammunition.

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Originally Posted by h8kurdt

Try again

You should know better (then again...) that ratings are such a variable. One poll varies to another and it just depends on who you ask.

Oh - I do know better!!!

There wasn’t a poll that had Donald defeating Hillary! (well, there was that one poll in a Cracker Barrel parking lot)......there hasn’t been many in this thread who thought he had a chance, all were mistaken!

The BOOM I posted above could be a mistake, but it’s the Top Story at DRUDGE and he has a history of usually getting these things right!

Israel 34, Russia 0

During the Six-Day War, Israeli aircraft and torpedo boats attack the USS Liberty in international waters off Egypt’s Gaza Strip. The intelligence ship, well-marked as an American vessel and only lightly armed, was attacked first by Israeli aircraft that fired napalm and rockets at the ship. The Liberty attempted to radio for assistance, but the Israeli aircraft blocked the transmissions. Eventually, the ship was able to make contact with the U.S. carrier Saratoga, and 12 fighter jets and four tanker planes were dispatched to defend the Liberty. When word of their deployment reached Washington, however, Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara ordered them recalled to the carrier, and they never reached the Liberty. The reason for the recall remains unclear.
Back in the Mediterranean, the initial air raid against the Liberty was over. Nine of the 294 crewmembers were dead and 60 were wounded. Suddenly, the ship was attacked by Israeli torpedo boats, which launched torpedoes and fired artillery at the ship. Under the command of its wounded captain, William L. McGonagle, the Liberty managed to avert four torpedoes, but one struck the ship at the waterline. Heavily damaged, the ship launched three lifeboats, but these were also attacked–a violation of international law. Failing to sink the Liberty, which displaced 10,000 tons, the Israelis finally desisted. In all, 34 Americans were killed and 171 were wounded in the two-hour attack. In the attack’s aftermath, the Liberty managed to limp to a safe port.

the new D'Nesh movie, pretty fucking hilarious

Yes! Looks like a classic. "Lincoln freed the slaves. Lincoln was a Republican. Hence, no Republican is racist and all Dems are." Love it!

Waiting til it gets to the dollar theater.

Going to bring a bunch of friends to heckle the screen, piss off the audience. Good times.

the economy added another 157k jobs in july

make of this what you will...

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!

make of this what you will...

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It's all Trump's doing!! There was no trend towards this until he took office!! Yay Trump!!

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Originally Posted by Skuj

It's all Trump's doing!! There was no trend towards this until he took office!! Yay Trump!!

lol no

but the tax cut juiced this

even larry summers admitted that much

the issue for me is not who caused it or what trends

the worrisome part is that voters favor incumbents when things are going well (except for democrats who love to waste good chances)

and so, now....

pelosi just came out saying “we intend to own august”

i am not sure we will

chris cillizza (sp? dont care) has a piece in todays wapo “if democrats dont flip the house in november it will be because of this”

im afraid to read it

ok i’ll read it...

wait it’s not cillizza lmao. he moved from the fix a while ago. one amber phillips. ok i’ll read & report

then again maybe the dotard himself, lashing out at lebron, will give nancy what she needs

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!

lashing out at lebron

He went after Springsteen tonight:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/02/u...act-check.html

NOW I really fucking hate him. Fuck him in the EAR. Fuck him in the OTHER ear. :)