I agree that both bands are based on blues rock, but I see Zeppelin as a continuation of blues rock (well maybe Page got little more distortion than Clapton in Cream) and Sabbath developing something else to it. I think you can hear difference right in the start of both bands first albums. Zeppelin first started as a any blues rock album of that time. When Sabbath first starts you immediately notice the difference: Iommis guitars sound is heavier than anything before that, bass and drums also create something unique, those slow heavy beats create whole new world. Also whole Zeppelin first album is mostly recycling (From Beck Truth album, Joan Baez, Muddy Waters, Jake Holmes, Bert Janch, Willie Dixon, Howlin Wolf, only Good Times & Bad Times & Communication Breakdown are true new compositions) when Sabbath first is almost totally new music, those two covers are also quite unknown.

I think Zeppelin progressed very little from the first album, the peak of their progression is in IV & Houses of the holy, but even Song Remains the Same and Rain Song are quite far from the blues rock, there are nothing new in 1973 when they came.

Also, you can compare Plant easily to Gillan or Byron, but Ozzy´s voice is unique and no-one has sing like him before or after.

I think Zeppelin is just overrated, The great r`n`r swindle wasn´t Pistols, it was Zeppelin.

Ha. Nicely put.

I totally agree with you about Sabbath as a whole. I was just speaking about certain moments in certain songs that have a similar sound to Zep. But you're right, really the two are almost like night and day 90% of the time. Ozzy's voice has a life of its own. Plant is blown away in comparison. Zeppelin had something very generically rock and roll about them. Sabbath were working with something new and unprecedented.

I think we're on the same page.

I agree that Zeppelin is way overrated and generally sounds nothing like Sabbath. I just think Sabotage sounds like Sabbath taking on Zeppelin sound and making it better.. the acoustic guitars, the extended transitions, the over dub layering.. the more "jamming" sound and feel..

OK, fine, for you people insisting on making a Sabbathfest out of this thread, here's the band commenting on their discography (Black Sabbath: Album-By-Album, Uncut July 2014).

Well said. I don't really have anything against them, except for the fact that they kind of symbolically represent what I hate most about rock music. Taken as they are, they're fine. But not only do I not want to hear to them when I don't want to hear them, I don't want to hear anyone mention them I I don't want to talk about them.

Of all the bands that have been fucking talked to death, talked into near meaninglessness, Zep is at the top of the list. Unless I'm in one of those rare moods when I feel like playing "Tangerine" or "Immigrant Song", I don't even want to think about Led Zeppelin.

I've always been very negative about Zeppelin and it took me twenty years to be ready to embrace III and III alone

I like Zeppelin still too (I think I am one of the only ones here who bought Celebration Day 3LP box, not listened it much, but enjoyed all the times). But I think the most reason of my Zeppelin fanship is that it is one of my earliest bands I´ve heard. If I had heard then Family or Fairport Convention, I don´t think I would have ever listened Zeppelin as much as I did.

Also I now think there isn´t anything special even in Zeppelin III, for example Fairport Convention did very similar stuff that time but lot better.

It was just that Peter Grant was so genius to make that band so popular that nowdays people just think they also were influental (which they weren´t).

I don´t also listen much Zeppelin these days, but like them always when listening.

Alright, now we're cooking with gas...

more power grill

I threw my back out (again) doing some acrobatic photo work on an assignment late last night, so I've just been listening to the sound of my muscles screaming at me for morphine, of which I have none.

Not super entertaining. 2/10.

Also the new Rustie album, EVENIFUDONTBELIEVE out now on Warp.

With the relative exception of Band On The Run, that is one wretched unacceptable list! There isn't enough booze and marihuana in the world to make me stomach those picks.

Have you tried this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sSLWjRO7UY

I have always loved Metallica Metallica album. I have to admit McCartney solos is one of those I have never listened, have to someday.

Hey, awesome idea! Only thing is, I'm not super keen on committing federal felonies with strangers over the Internet. I know, I'm such a prude.

That's what I said.

Course it was a joke. So was my reply.

I don't get humans. Sorry bro.

... I'm pretty sure I'm too old to be listening to this kind of music. This is music for college students with love interests and aspirations.

In fact I think that (admittedly quite awesome) cover art was made using the Paper by Fifty-three app for iOS 9.

Incredibly good, forgotten British post-punk from 1981...

Haha. Yeah. Hip hop is feeling a little retarded at the moment. I like Future well enough... at least I know he's capable of making good music... but there has been a LOT of mumbling about dumb shit in recent hip hop music.

Like... I don't know... Taking bitches to Chipotle? That's a Future line too. And j don't know what the fuck Young Thug is ever moaning about, but I can't bring myself to see the apparent "genius" behind his overtranquilzed word salad mush mouth lilt.

To me, hip hop has felt retarded ever since the goddamn Chronic went multikawazillionplatinum and the outcome of GUM v. Warner fucked The Bomb Squad up.

Fear + Slow Dazzle + Helen Of Troy + a few stray tracks = what's not to LOVE!

I don't much like listening to music with other people anymore. Not unless I'm at a show, and it's necessary. For me, music is a solitary and meditative experience. Music for me is best when what's playing in my car can transcend my mood, and either fire me up for something or get me in an agreeable state of mind.

I put on music for other people and they're like "wow, this is redundant (swans)" or "wow, this is distracting (sonic youth, Aphex twin)" or "really?? (Kanye).

People tend to ruin things for me. I'm a crabby cunt.

Yeah its on some literally mumbling dumb shit mode currently, hence why today Rap music is the Lakers.

Are those actually Luke Bryant song lyrics? I've heard the motherfucker's name I guess, but I never in my life imagined that country could get any stupider than Travis Tritt and Garth Brooks.

Yuck, yo. Motherfucking yuck.

YES!

This is so great package, Cale at his best!

Ah you're from the south? That's too bad man. I'm sorry.

I don't know what it is with this album, but it really wasn't my thing either.

Young Thug has been the worst this year. But apparently almost every Pitchfork writer seems to think he's some genius who transcends the boundaries between hip-hop and free jazz, so who am I to argue. :o

I've been looking forward to it. I liked Visions quite a bit, and I expected this album to really deliver. But it feels downright voyeuristic to be listening to such unabashedly youthful pop music. This album sounds like a slightly weirder and more electronic version of Taylor Swift. Not what I was expecting.

I think it's definitely good in an objective way. I'm sure people will mostly adore it. But it's like looking through a peephole to being 21, and I don't enjoy that feeling.

You've caught on to that too huh? Yeah, I recently read a Flipboard article that asserted that the "old school" was threatening to kill hip hop. It was about how the current hip hop climate is the best ever, and nobody (not Joey Bada$$, not Underachievers) should be trying to bring New York or LA back.

The author admitted to growing up post-Eminem, which means to me that he can't possibly know much about the old school of anything, but he had undying praise for Thug, comparing him to fucking David Byrne of all people (I think it was Byrne), saying that YT was reimagining the meaning and delivery of language by transcending rapping and moving into more of a space between words, which is somehow a good thing.

But by all rights, the fucker should know even less about David Byrne than he does about Wu-Tang Clan.

I'll try to find the article. It's well written but incredibly smug. I hate young smug writers. Hate em more when they can actually write.

Never been farther south than DC. Not in the east anyway. I come from the dead opposite part of the country, so I'm worried that the sun would burn my skin.

About the stuff discussed here I just read from somewhere when Finnish people came to USA as immigrant in sometime begin of the 20th century, klukluxklan blamed they were thieves and all the way just bad people and they didn´t want them. When knowing that it was really ridicilous that somebody threw "molotov coctail" into house of immigrants here in Finland this year and that guy had klukluxklan clothes.

In trying to look up this story (which I couldn't find) I came across this:

Finns attack migrants

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/0...0RP0T420150925

felt a sudden urge to listen to these two albums, which I hadn't heard in a long while







that's Rivulets - We're Fucked


Apart from that I've been heavily addicted to Nina Simone for the last couple of months. Bought a couple of her old albums and shit, basically all the boxsets at once that are on sale on amazon. This was after watching a Nick Cave documentary 20,000 Days on Earth in which he and Warren Ellis are raving about her almost continuously.

I was really initially talking about the weather. I wasn't kidding about the heat. It scares me. I've been to, like, Texas and stuff... But it's dry there. Florida and Louisiana just seem like another planet to me. I feel like the humidity and heat would paralyze me, and that's I'd never be able to get out once I got in. One of my best friends just moved to Florida though, so I've been thinking about it a lot.

I guess I was also referring to the ATL hip hop culture. I've never been much of a fan.

But I actually wasn't talking about racism or anything. Sorry. I have spent time in places in Washington and Illinois and Michigan that have such a deeply embedded fear of color that I don't consider the South to be a peak location for racist attitudes. That shit is everywhere.

No offense intended. Sorry for the misunderstanding