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louder 04.13.2014 05:00 AM

does anybody here listen to Eyedea? recommend me some albums?

louder 04.13.2014 06:09 AM

ok so i checked out "E&A" and found it interesting, but didn't really like it.

then i tried his final album "By the Throat" just in case and guess what, it's amazing. sounds really influenced by In Utero too. wow.

will listen to his first two albums later.

noisereductions 04.13.2014 08:11 AM

I always liked Eyedea (RIP) but never really loved any of the albums. The first Oliver Hart album is cool. Firstborn I didn't really get into. I liked E&A a lot.

A lot of times I found his guestshots more outstanding. Like "Embarrassing" that he did w/ Sage Francis and Slug.

louder 04.13.2014 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by noisereductions
I always liked Eyedea (RIP) but never really loved any of the albums. The first Oliver Hart album is cool. Firstborn I didn't really get into. I liked E&A a lot.

A lot of times I found his guestshots more outstanding. Like "Embarrassing" that he did w/ Sage Francis and Slug.

dude was talented. just heard his acoustic EP "When in Rome, Kill the King" on youtube, impressive.

foreverasskiss 04.13.2014 11:11 AM

i listen to new mainstream hip hop than ever before. the production now is just so giddy and danceable than ever. wicked synth lines and drum machine sounds. it has finally drank and smoked the gansta shit out of itself.

mine you, it's mostly in my car or at work.

louder 04.13.2014 11:27 AM

http://www.complex.com/music/2013/05...ential-albums/

^^^^ Ghost names his fav songs from his essential albums. great article.
shockingly he doesn't seem to be fond of Pretty Toney and Fishscale.

noisereductions 04.13.2014 12:01 PM

honestly, I think Fishscale is a little overrated. But I love Pretty Tony.

louder 04.13.2014 12:23 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZ6Ha0p9ZUM

11:50 - his message to the youth, gave me chills.
"everybody is not a gangster, i'm a poet.. i write this for me, then for the fans.. we gotta stop this violence shit, there's too much violence".
then everything he said about god and spirituality, wow.

not only one of my fav rappers/musicians, but also such a great man.

Derek 04.13.2014 12:25 PM

Listened to the new Mobb Deep album finally and it's a letdown. The disc with the extra Infamous stuff is incredible though.

louder 04.13.2014 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by noisereductions
honestly, I think Fishscale is a little overrated. But I love Pretty Tony.

Fishscale used to be my fav for the longest time. but these days i prefer SC.

1. SC
2. Fishscale
3. Ironman
4. Pretty Toney
5. Bulletproof

louder 04.13.2014 12:28 PM

SC2 was supposed to drop last summer.. still waiting. :(

noisereductions 04.13.2014 01:01 PM

Pretty Tony
Ironman
12 Reasons
Supreme Clientele
Hidden Darts

...probably

Severian 04.13.2014 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by louder
does anybody here listen to Eyedea? recommend me some albums?


Eyedea & Abilities... white ass alt. rap, but utterly essential.

If you're new to Eyedea (RIP; motherfucker had one of the best emcee monikers in hip hop history) download yourself a copy of "First Born."

I'm pretty sure that's a universally rebound classic for all hip hop fans who aren't just gun toting thugs. I mean, anyone who appreciates the musicality of hip hop, and the art of lyricism, should know and own this album.

Am I right, guys? Let me know if I'm off point here.

So "First Born" is an essential. The rest of their discography is a little more controversial. Their second album "E&A" is pretty widely loved, but I think it's a bit showy. Like a lot of Rhymesayers, Definitive Jux, and Anticon white artists, I think E&A tried to become legitimately inventive rappers, but they didn't have the same kind of flow or production style as the artists they wanted to emulate.
So, they relied a bit too heavily on technical skill (which to white boys seems to mean only one thing: rapping REALLY fast, and slipping bleeps and bloops into their verses), and I for one think the album suffered from that kind of "one-up-manship" and drive to make people say "You gotta hear this new E&A joint, it makes First Born sound like Dj Jazzy Jeff."

"E&A" is still a great album though. And Eyedea was a smart cookie, and knew how to spit intelligent verses that were good by virtue of his wordplay alone, not the speed at which he spat. It's still a classic, but for me it really doesn't compare to First Born.

Their third album, By The Throat, is... Well... I like about half of it, but it tries too hard, pushing the E&A "faster, loopier = better" paradigm to a whole new level, fitting in too many goddamn sounds and styles in all the wrong ways.

Additionally, it makes use of guitars and *singing* just way way way too much. I think it reveals Abilities's weakness behind the boards, which is that he doesn't know when to pull back, and his attempts at textured beat arrangements are (when compared to a God like Dilla, or a legend like Madlib) pretty ham fisted... Or at least that's how it sounds to me on this record.

Really though, I think it was taking cues from Why? and cLOUDDEAD, and other artists who kind of blurred the lines between hip hop and fucking Emo of all things (not that I dislike either of those artists) in an attempt to make hip hop a more progressive genre. But it's really just kind of hard on the ears to hear Why?, who has at times sounded more like super early Modest Mouse than any rapper or hip hop artist ever, shitting all over cadence and the lyrical models we as hip hop fans love, by lisping and spoken-word pseudo-rapping over a goddamn banjo loop or some shit.

So E&A kinda fell into that category for me after their run ended. In retrospect I think of them as two dudes who released one classic hip hop album, First Born, one strange Hip hop/EDM experiment, and then kinda lost it.

Nothing against Anticon, but I just can't see them as creators of genuine hip hop anymore. Which is fine, but the rest of the world seems compelled to put their artists into a genre, and bat genre is usually hip hop.
Basically, It's just not a great experiment, blending rap with anything other than EDM/trip-hop/ house, or jazz. If it's not one of those... It's weird.)

So Eyedea died (OD, I think) and E&A are no more. But you should definitely look into their catalogue.

Also check out their side projects. Micranots in particular are not to be fucked with, and both The Emperor and the Assassin and Obelisk Movements are pretty goddamn dope.

If you're in the mood to hear some thug ass Brooklyn shit, then best save E&A for another time.

foreverasskiss 04.13.2014 04:50 PM

dat shit dem white trash hoes be listening to. like trailer trash kardashians with no teeth. but, fuck it. they got no teeth so dats more fantasy cureably to me.

blowin blunts in these bitches babies faces makes dem wet. Kna what i mean? slappin dat hoe like i'm crackin that cracker whip.

i whip dat shit on dat fluffy lilly white pussy heard? like dem white girl geek tube socks too. bitch.\

white boys get dat horny fire in day stomichs when day seee dat shiitt!!!


c we all alt in 2014 like those pumkins in 96 wit 79 vid. we setting treads and making history. like MJ

noisereductions 04.13.2014 05:36 PM

btw, I always liked Why? a lot.

noisereductions 04.13.2014 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by louder
http://www.complex.com/music/2013/05...ential-albums/

^^^^ Ghost names his fav songs from his essential albums. great article.
shockingly he doesn't seem to be fond of Pretty Toney and Fishscale.


I just made a playlist of these 12 tracks.

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 04.13.2014 08:40 PM

What y'all know about that Mausberg??

louder 04.14.2014 05:15 AM

hey NR, new Lana Del Rey single:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=o3SqUUoJjW8

louder 04.14.2014 05:26 AM

i like it.

noisereductions 04.14.2014 07:29 AM

yeah pumped for new Lana album.

Ok, dude, this kind of bugs me. Illmatic XX is a reissue I've been longing for. Drops tomorrow. Great. But that bonus disc... I'm torn. Half of me is so excited for like "I'm a Villain" or the Bobbito freestyle, and some of the remixes I haven't heard. But why didn't we get the 6 tracks from the 2004 reissue included here? Why isn't the song from the Street Fighter soundtrack included? (Cuz it's owned by Priority that's why). I mean, there's enough material from the Illmatic sessions that a real definitive edition of the album could be close to 3 discs. I just kind of wish that XX made 10th Anniversary edition unecessary.

I say all this. But I'm still excited.

Severian 04.14.2014 06:45 PM

Ok here's something I've been meaning to address:

Remember when Jay-Z posted a Twitter pic of all 12 of his proper albums, stacked, in descending order from best to worst?

Well, Kingdom Come was below EVERYTHING. Like, it was below Life and Times of S. Carter; it was below the jewel-speckled Vol. II, which has some of his best moments EVER, and some of the most corny and shitty shit he's ever shat.

Then he basically APOLOGIZED for it. "It was my first joint back in the game, Im sorry" Am I the only one who was like.... What?

Yeah, American Gangster is money, Black is forever, Doubt is a game changer, and Blueprint, and Blueprint III both brought him back into a game he was kind of half in at most at the time.

I'd have to put Kingdom Come immediately after those, his most baller, albums. No way does he have to apologize for that album. It was Jay-Z's comeback!!! I mean, motherfuckers were waiting in massive queues for that shit to drop. And it was a good thing, and people blasted the title track on the way back from whatever Best Buy or Tower they were stuck in all morning.

And Do You Wanna Ride? Helped etch out the blueprint for the kind of uplifting but moody songs that later just about every single he released were based on ( dope ass but pretty VH1 verses, with a bombastic, theatrical guest spot from some famous vocalist to give the song universal appeal).

It's a great album, and kicks Shit out of half of his catalogue.

Word.

noisereductions 04.14.2014 07:29 PM

There's some really good stuff on Kingdom Come, yeah. "Lost Ones" is amazing. Honestly, I think the Lifetime albums are pretty hit or miss, like you. But I def put most of his catalog about KC.

louder 04.14.2014 07:41 PM

Pharrell cries while watching Happy homemade videos on Oprah Prime: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQdjnh4_M5M

foreverasskiss 04.14.2014 07:59 PM

Pharrell should've known better. didn't he know everybody cries on Oprah. everybody!

its her aura of broken lonely housewives. god bless her.

guest 04.14.2014 10:13 PM

lana del rey? is this the death knell for man? where are the four fucking horsemen?

foreverasskiss 04.14.2014 10:21 PM

lana del rey is just exactly that skanky hoe i stay away from.

i can't believe these fucks listen to her boring ass music. she's like a worse trailer park trash version of the kardashians.

oh wait, that's just what these posters love.

bunch of white boy outsiders and mama boy shelters living vicariously throu hip hop/white slut trailer park soul while fucking that nerdy ugly girlfriend.

i would not even fuck that bitch. just nut on her neck and sigh and go home and fart. lame. so lame i want to scrape the skin crawlin lameness off with a paint scraper.

foreverasskiss 04.14.2014 10:40 PM

im not done:

she's the type of bitch that would suck and swallow my cum and i would pat her on the head.....then.....leave. ignore her out of satisfaction. then she would tell everyone i had a small dick(because she mad) while dreaming of how i put that swag on that that was inserted into her mouth. white bitch.

she's like a internet sensation fioan apple through hip hop. i bet college girls eat this up. experiment then end up with a boring fat headed white flubby dude.

louder 04.15.2014 03:22 PM

stream Future's new album: http://www.mtv.co.uk/future/news/str...t-in-full-here

i like it a lot.

louder 04.15.2014 06:23 PM

looking forward to the new Swans album. one of the few rock bands i still care about.

noisereductions 04.15.2014 06:56 PM

 

an evening with viewtiful 04.16.2014 12:05 AM

^
Is it bad that i just dont care about this? Idk I wish hip hop bonus tracks could go beyond remixes for once.

noisereductions 04.16.2014 07:15 AM

of course it's bad that you don't care about something related to ILLMATIC. That said, here's my thoughts after a full listen last night:

Quote:

On one hand, I'm thrilled. On the other, I'm let down.

Illmatic is one of the absolute best 90's hip hop albums. Hands down. It's rare that an album makes you feel like "damn, this is too short."

The 20th anniversary edition should have been even bigger than it is. The bonus disc is only 10 tracks. Several of the remixes have already appeared on the From Illmatic To Stillmatic EP and the 10th anniversary bonus EP. So die-hards have em. The freestyle included is amazing. The inclusion of "I'm a Villain" from his 91 demo is awesome... but where's the rest of the demo tape??? Where's "One on One" from the Street Fighter soundtrack? Where's "Live at the BBQ" and "Back to the Grill"? This reissue could have been a sprawling 3-disc affair that really showcased the full legacy of this album.

Maybe for the 30th anniversary...

louder 04.17.2014 12:36 PM

Q&A: Raekwon 'On Strike' From Wu-Tang, Blasts RZA for 'Mediocre' Music

"RZA's a coach who won rings back in the day, but now your team is in ninth place. It’s time for a new fucking game plan"

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/ne...music-20140417

noisereductions 04.17.2014 12:59 PM

saw that. I feel like RZA and Rae have butted heads for years now right? I mean. What was the point of making Wu-Massacre and Shaolin vs Wu-Tang? I felt like they were both kind of 'rebel albums'.

noisereductions 04.17.2014 01:07 PM

 

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One year ago, I started a mixtape / podcast series called Hellafine Fridays. Today, a mix from that series, The Arrival Of Kendrick Lamar, broke 10,000 plays on Soundcloud. This is a small feat in comparison to Kanye numbers, but it is a small milestone that I hit for the first time today. In “celebration” (seems like kind of a weird word to use here) of hitting this landmark, we will be producing a limited number of “platinum” individually tracked out CD’s of this mix. More information on how you can obtain a copy of the limited CD will be revealed in the near future. Until then, you can listen to the mix below. Thanks for the support everyone.

this is pretty cool, yeah?

I've kind of gotten on this kick of buying hip hop CD's again. it's weird. I've bought digital versions of albums for over a decade. But I don't know. I'm kind of in the mood to collect the physical copies and have liner notes to read thru, etc.

noisereductions 04.17.2014 01:28 PM

 


sounds better to me now than it did a decade ago.

noisereductions 04.17.2014 02:54 PM

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects...ans-for-wu-peo

noisereductions 04.18.2014 07:17 AM

you guys suck at responding. This always happens. whenever I have a bunch of stuff to post it's a friggin ghost town in here.

K... reading My Infamous Life by Prodigy right now.

Still listening to Infamous XX. My complaints about brevity of the bonus disc aside, it's a hell of a good bonus disc for what it is. That freestyle is great. Q-Tip's "World Is Yours" remix is incredible.

louder 04.18.2014 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by noisereductions

wow.. even though i'm skeptical, i really hope it's going to work out.

louder 04.18.2014 08:25 AM

famous producers start tweeting about Detox again:

"Got a call that woke me up from a private number. I was bout to answer like "WTF!!! BYE!!" Luckily I didn't. It was Dr Dre."
https://twitter.com/JustBlaze/status/456505110583988225

"#detox #lastzulu #hideyodrummachines #beatsnrhymesFollow"
http://instagram.com/p/m5olD7IKs3/


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