Ok. I wasn't trying to argue, I just didn't remember the dets yo. Plus we know Thurston and Gira (well, really everyone in both bands over the years) are friends, so I don't think any less of SY for using a Swans song. It's like Gira gave us a gift with SY's help in '83 and then 34 years later, he revisited that gift, souped it up, repurposed it, and gave us another one.

Listening to this. I forget how good this album is.

Yeah no I was actually just interested in finding the answer one you brought it up. It's interesting and birth versions are great .

Kinda like how Chief Keef wrote "Don't Like" and gave it to Kanye and we got the Cruel Summer "Don't Like." Only in that case, the revamp shits all over the original :D

I forgot how rap-sappy the Score is. It's a fucking RAP album, not an R&B album, as it was kind of marketed at the time. Rappity-rap-rap.

swimming pool- camera obscura

I Won't Share You- The Smiths

I don't entirely agree with the sentiment of the title, but I love the song.

im listening maniacally to every available version of "should i stay or should i go" that's available on spotify

haaa haaa haaaa haaaaa

it's a lot of fun actually

Rich Homie Quan's HEART COLD

fucking LOVE this track.

https://youtu.be/jzeyZZbevvQ

The Smashing Pumpkins
Siamese Dream
1993, If I were to make a list of the albums that meaningfully soundtracked my high school list, Siamese Dream would be pretty close to the top. From the opening circus drumrolls this album just doesn't let go. "Cherub Rock" is not just a great opener, it's an iconic track in the band's career. It's a missive with its skittering guitar and bass parts, showboat drums, over-the-top solos and "let.... Let me out"s. Where SP mostly stayed in shoegaze territory on Gish, this album catapulted the band into stadium spotlights. That lead on "Rocket" is larger than life. "Mayonnaise" is nearly transcendent. "Quiet" is fucking loud. There's some throwbacks to Gish, namely in Soma or maybe slightly in "Today" with its depressingly happy lyrics. There's also some quieter moments like the stark "Disarm" or the majestic "Spaceboy" which I prefer mostly because I've just heard the former a bit too much over the years. Siamese Dream is one of those innocuous albums where it may be easy to forget just how good it really is until you put it on and remind yourself from start to finish.




Sonic Youth
Sonic Death
1984, So early in Sonic Youth''s career they thought it'd be a good idea to put out a live album. So a cassette was released on Thurston's own Ecstatic Peace label and it was kind of low profile affair. Of course SY being SY they didn't do a straight forward live album. This is really more of a weird tape collage. Most of the tracks are mere fragments of songs, most lacking vocal sections. In some cases the playback speed has been altered - such as with a hyper sped up "Shaking Hell." The original tape had no song titles listed and the two sides played out like two long pieces. My CD reissue condenses the entire tape down to a single hour-plus track. And I think it does make some kind of sense in this format. Bits and pieces of tracks from Sonic Youth, Confusion Is Sex, and Kill Your Idols bleed in and out of each other and ultimately the whole thing feels like a singular experience rather than individual songs. This is definitely a recording that's for SY die-hards only of course. It's great for a game of "name that song" - made a bit easier now since the reissue of the self-titled album with included live tracks. Also even the CD reissues retained all the tape hiss from the original cassette. But I suppose that's always been part of the album's sound anyway. This isn't a release I visit all that often - usually once a year really. But it's always an interesting experience when I do so.

Servo- The Brian Jonestown Massacre

named after Tom Servo of Mystery Science Theatre 3000*



*may not be true

Might be. Maybe. BJTM is good stuff.

Dude, who in our age group didn't spend their teen years blasting this thing? I mean, I was truly on the fence with SP by the time I started high school, but I still played this pretty regularly. "Luna" and "Mayonaise" both did something weird to me back then. I still think this is an overrated album historically, but it was definitely a thing for people who came of age in the '90s.
One thing though — I've always thought of Gish as more Jane's Addiction-esque and sort of art-hard-rocky than shoegazey. A lot of the sounds on Siamese Dream seem more steeped in Shoegaze sounds to me. The entire thing kinda sounds like it was mastered to drown itself out, except for the less feedbacky songs like "Disarm."

Speaking of that song, it's effective dynamically, but MAN is that shit pretentious. Even when I was a pubescent little ball of feels, I had to roll my eyes at some of those unrepentant conceits. "I used to beee a little boy!" Yeah, me too. Don't hear me fucking off about it, do you Billy-bob? "The killer in meeee is the killer in you!" Wow. You're taking something very seriously indeed (with church bells!) only I have no fucking idea what that thing is.
It's the definition of "lugubrious," set to music, that song.

I think there's an interesting 1993-ness to many albums of the albums from this period. I'd want to listen to "Heart-Shaped Box" as kind of a colon-cleanse after hearing "Disarm." I wish I would eat "Dsarm's" cancer when it turns black. :D Throw Vs. in there and you have a weird trifecta of '93 alt-rock. Three different worlds, entirely, represented by three very different albums that tend to be lumped together pretty regularly when discussing music from that era. In Utero is really the album for me, as there's nothing about it that I have to tolerate to get through, but I think a lot of people would stand by Siamese Dream OR Vs. as the defining rock album of '93.

Goddammit, what did I say about not bringing up ENEMIES OF ROCK & ROLL?

Barış Manço - Sakla Samani Gelir Zamani
70s Turkish rock was really quite something.

Some bands on Bandcamp.

Playboy - Celebration
https://play-boy.bandcamp.com/album/celebration

Skull Cult - Vol.1
https://skullcultusa.bandcamp.com/album/vol-1

Circuits - #1
https://circuitss.bandcamp.com/releases

I like Circuits quite a bit. Thanks!

see this is what we miss you doing here more.

where do you get that?


funny thing i used to love genesis as a kid and still have my phone packed with them but i never heard of these, and surpise surprise, they're not downloadable

im having a problem supplementing unstreamable music to my phone.

i think i'm gonna purchase the albums in amazon so they're downloadable where i go.

speaking of which, king crimson put up ONE album on spotify. it's good songs but sounds like a strange mutation of the group i've never heard of before.

anyway i'm listening to YES time and a word which is this strange mixture of folk and psychedelic that drinks from the stream of old english music and adds electricity to it plus lsd maybe? supposedly they drank tons but i think not so much. beer drinkers probably.

anyway, im doing monday housekeeping and i need a beer. crap! the lawn is not gonna mow itself.

thank you cerdito

gonna try to make these work this morning

If you are in a Yes/Crimson mood, check out Claudio Simonetti's pre-Goblin group Cherry Five. I picked up a reissue of this the other day and it's pretty great. Not as unique as Goblin but a very cool Italian take on the classic early Progressive thing.
A lot of the Turkish stuff has been getting reissued lately as well. A couple of labels seem to be specializing in making that stuff more widely available. There are a lot of videos of a lot of those guys up on YouTube. In their native land in their time they were pretty huge Stars, so that's kind of a nice Resource as well.
Bunalim and early Erkin Koray are also great.

https://youtu.be/VAjrzz_tvS8

https://youtu.be/MGDmOb1E47s

https://youtu.be/mIWM3pXAQJ8

https://youtu.be/lUFHeJKHrtc

Erkin Koray, Mogollar and Barış Manço I'm certainly going to keep an eye on when it comes to reissues.

They cover the only Cleaners from Venus song that I remember from memory. I think the reissue of one or more of their records was a big deal a few years ago. I never understood why. They made pretty average music.

Im lissening to that playboy page right now

I like the basic drums / bass

I can't make out what he's yelling about

I like the keyboard too

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Sounded like the school.of james.chance

You only remember one Cleaners from Venus song? That seems weird to me.

Genesis post-Gabriel was a full-tilt fuckaround. I remember "No Son of Mine" was big when I was young. On the radio a lot. Oh and "I can't Dance." Pure shit. Just really shitty shit.

Peter Gabriel's solo stuff is weird. Not proggy, really. More arty. There's still some big bombastic stuff that I don't tolerate well, but Melt sounds almost art-punky to me. I can see this stuff on a playlist with New Order, Joy Division, maybe even PiL. I dunno. Then there's the later stuff like So, which is often really corny, but still OK.

My daughter and I made a quick day trip to New Orleans Saturday. Here are the CD's I placed in the car, listened to everything except the Mogwai, and three tracks from, Radio K.A.O.S.

man, wat is with peter gabriel popping up everywhere

for serious

(im a fan btw)

gabriel did work with laurie anderson yeah.

lol 80s genesis is utter mental trash

if you hear phil collins in the drums though, when gabriel was bandleader, he was fucking fantastic. why did he have to open his fucking mouth? and yet, he made TONS of money. 80s genesis sold more than the garbage pail kids.

life is so wrong.

star sign- teenage fanclub

The Backbeat Band
Backbeat
1994, So here's an idea: make a movie in 1994 about the early Beatles. But instead of getting a band to try to sound like the early Beatles, just get Dave Pirner, Greg Dulli, Thurston Moore, Don Fleming, Mike Mills and Dave Grohl to run through these old standards. It's a good idea, and probably sounded like a genius idea in 1994. The results are slightly less wild than I might have hoped for, though. I mean yeah these are sloppier versions, and sure Pirner and Dulli sound like Pirner and Dulli. But I don't know, there's not quite as much personality here as there could be. For the most part it just kind of sounds like an especially energetic cover band. I'm sure they had fun. It sounds like it anyway. But there's just nothing truly standout here. Maybe it works well for the movie - I've never seen it. Or maybe I'm just being too hard on the recordings given that it's a bit of a supergroup filled with guys from bands I love. Oh well.

I have not heard those songs or seen that movie in years. I get the impression from what I remember is that the movie wanted to present The Beatles as inventing it all. Like, hey remember when The Beatles were punk rock before punk rock existed? Even that image of them all wearing black leather jackets has a 'they were doing it before The Ramones' feel to it.

ha! Look at the pic on the left... "remember when the Beatles were Lou Reed first?"

finally gave it a listen, thanks!

in the 60s/ 70s there were a lot of psychedelic/prog/krautrock influences in "3rd world" music (not sure turkey fits the mold, but everyone knows os mutantes) at the same time that rich-country musicians either went out in search of world music (so many bands to india) and/or assimilated immigrant cultures (e.g santana). so-- glad to have found a new one. no idea this guy existed.


there's a ton of baris mancho on spotify-- the dates are all fucked up as usual with spotify but i think one can match things w/ discogs, wikipedia, and good use of the search function

im gonna look for the other names you mention- and again thanks

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found 3 mogollar albums [eta: lots more! it was 3 singles. ton of albums. all very confusing]

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eg from what i was saying: los jaivas https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zWKqatBLX58

or (a bit more cosmopolitan and bluesy cuz argentina has its head in europe) luis alberto spinetta: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ArnKUmtwrhI

more jaivas, see, this one is great

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bZ6-e3yXmC0

that whole album is pretty great for the most part

Tera Melos - Trash Generator



Not really grabbed by it yet, but Tera Melos was once a favorite of mine, and I'm willing to give it a chance... see if there's still anything there.