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Bertrand 02.06.2025 07:20 PM

Elvira Madigan.

As I thought it was beautiful, my currrent fear is that someone will give me bluntly the truth, stating that in their view it is utter crap, leaving me speechless.

Diesel 02.07.2025 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
Music is aural. film is visual. Music is colorless. Black audiences didn't know Bobby Caldwell was a white man (the record label hid his face in the ads and cover) and they felt his music deeply.

White kids didn't know Frankie Lymon and the Teenagers were black, until they saw him live on TV.


film is a visual medium, and if you look at movies by black filmmakers, they include white characters, latino characters, etc. because they try to reflect reality. Many white directors create whitewashed landscapes where PoC are either non-existent, or they are in positions of servitude. Lynch is one of these.


So lynch should have reflected reality?

Fucking hell

I'm done

choc e-Claire 02.08.2025 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by choc e-Claire
Considering staying over with a friend, with a weird double billing of movies to bookend it.

 

This was one of the best ideas I've ever had.

r.e. Lynch and people of colour: I enjoyed someone's joke that the reason there's no black people in Twin Peaks is that they've decided that they don't want to get involved in that crazy white man business.

Diesel 02.08.2025 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by choc e-Claire
This was one of the best ideas I've ever had.

r.e. Lynch and people of colour: I enjoyed someone's joke that the reason there's no black people in Twin Peaks is that they've decided that they don't want to get involved in that crazy white man business.


Twin Peaks had as many black actors as Sonic Youth had in their music videos. Inb4 aCcEpTaBle MiNuTeS On ScReEn RaTiO QuOtA.

'Why don't I see any black people at my gigs?
Why don't black people like my music?
No blacks at my concerts, it really makes me sick
Do they hate me, or are they just a little bit too thick for my lyrics?
I love Kool Keith, you love Kool Keith
Everybody loves Kool Keith
"But the whole audience at the Baltimore gig was white kids," said Lawrence
Now, what do you think about that?
And how do you think Kool Keith feels?

[Chorus]
Please tell it like it is
Don't fuck around with words
When you fuck around with words
You make the situation worse
That's a bomb on the ground
Those are limbs flying through the air
These are bullets all around
That's cum in your hair

[Pre-Chorus]
Some loss of life must be expected
When you're going shooting
Some rapes, why not? Some amputations
And a bit of looting
In olden days, a glimpse of mangled face
Was something shocking
But now, when the news has war and love
Anything goes, keep going

[Chorus]
Please tell it like it is
Don't fuck around with words
When you fuck around with words
You make the situation worse
That's a bomb on the ground
Those are limbs flying through the air
These are bullets all around
That's blood in your hair
[Verse]
Why don't I see any black people at my gigs?
Why don't black people like my music?
No blacks at my concerts, it really makes me sick
Do they hate me, or are they just a little bit too thick for my lyrics?
I love Kool Keith, you love Kool Keith
Everybody loves Kool Keith, Kool Keith
But the whole audience at the Baltimore [?] was white kids
What do you think about that?
And how do you think Kool Keith feels?

[Outro]
I flick from film to film and then Columbo
I waited for my stone to lose its shape
I feel into a deep and chilling slumber
I woke up and continued with this tape
Time to myself, to get to know me better
To ask me how my week was and "How do I feel?"
Well, thank you, me, for asking, my week has been fantastic
I curled up on the sofa and lay down like a spastic'

!@#$%! 02.09.2025 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by choc e-Claire
This was one of the best ideas I've ever had.


videodrome x10000000000000000

i'd like shrek better if it wasn't so pushily meta. everything wink wink nod nod. it's like... who quotes or remembers stuff like the tiny toons? nobody, that's who. not sure if that's where that meta plague started in kids cartoons

the good shrek is the main shrek story of the ogre without all the hollywood bullshit "jokes"

lmao why am i so angry at this

but anyway lol hell yes videodrome

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my take on lynch's absence of colored folks is that his childhood didn't feature many. he harks back to a kind of 50s americana and looks at the rot underneath. what does lynch know of the black experience or whatever? it would have been presumptuous of him to attempt it

whereas something like that cacky 90s show "friends" is otoh unforgivable in its bizarro world depiction of new york, given that it wasnt an auteur driven production. seinfeld also depicts a very insular world but it does not grate the same way for some reason

new york is actually more segregated than, say, washington dc

_tunic_ 02.09.2025 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by _tunic_
a few weeks back I watched a great movie, now I don't remember the title anymore
It's Spanish language, might have been from Spain or from South-America
The main plot is about a police officer investigating a cold-case. main plot is good, albeit the ending was a bit disappointing
But it's the sub-plot that matters, about the relationship between the (male) police officer, and his (female) boss.


Think it was an Oscar winner or nominated for it.

I remembered which movie this was:



 



in Spanish: El secreto de sus ojos
it's from Argentina


there's of course a US made remake, but watch the original. Wonderful movie
(even though I usually don't like movies in a language I don't understand)

!@#$%! 02.09.2025 10:36 AM

no he visto esa película pero ya me diste curiosidad

_tunic_ 02.09.2025 11:45 AM

yeah, it's worth a watch if you have the chance.
You may need to be in the right mood for it, you might find it a bit too melodramatic otherwise

Toilet & Bowels 02.09.2025 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Diesel
So lynch should have reflected reality?

Fucking hell

I'm done


They could reflect the society in which they are made.

choc e-Claire 02.10.2025 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!
i'd like shrek better if it wasn't so pushily meta. everything wink wink nod nod. it's like... who quotes or remembers stuff like the tiny toons? nobody, that's who. not sure if that's where that meta plague started in kids cartoons

the good shrek is the main shrek story of the ogre without all the hollywood bullshit "jokes"


Maybe it's a generational thing, but I feel like your frustration is a bit misplaced here - if I had to guess you're complaining about things that exist because of Shrek, rather than the things in Shrek themselves. There isn't really that much that's directly ripping something else, they saved that for the sequel. Of course, I may just be an idiot and not know the deal.

Rob Instigator 02.10.2025 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Diesel
So lynch should have reflected reality?

Fucking hell

I'm done


dreams are a part of any conscious beings reality (dogs dream. birds dream. sometimes fascists dream).

Dreams are reality. his dreams are supa white

!@#$%! 02.10.2025 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by choc e-Claire
Maybe it's a generational thing, but I feel like your frustration is a bit misplaced here - if I had to guess you're complaining about things that exist because of Shrek, rather than the things in Shrek themselves. There isn't really that much that's directly ripping something else, they saved that for the sequel. Of course, I may just be an idiot and not know the deal.

oh, so, in the 90s at some point there was a kind of reboot of looney toons, called tiny toons

the thing is tiny toons was terrible because it went "too meta", whatever happened in it was basically about something else that you had to know about, wink wink, nod nod, postmodernism for the hoi polloi. but that dates too quickly and is not funny and it's not memorable, it just disappears. unlike, say, the original bugs from the 40s or whatever which in spite of changing mores keeps yielding juice even as (postmodern) meme

shrek, the story of it, is cool. but in my recollection (it's been ages) it suffers from the same postmodern disease that spoils the details a bit, too much hollywood navel gazing and insider jokes. or maybe that was shrek 2 when it went to shit? i can't remember, i stopped watching, it became a tired refry in my head. which is a pity, because shrek and donkey were cool

this is not a rant against metafictions or postmodernism btw, only against the tired irrelevant versions of it

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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
Dreams are reality. his dreams are supa white

well he was supa white indeed, that was very much his upbringing

just like birds have bird dreams i assume

but his art was good because he was loyal to his dreams

when an artist tries to change their dreams to fit into market forces or ideological programs or funding requirements or studio executive demands, that's when their art sucks

Diesel 02.10.2025 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Toilet & Bowels
They could reflect the society in which they are made.


Nah, that's something a director like Spike Lee enjoys portraying. There's also no gay characters in his movies, but never mind that possible virtue signal. Maybe his casting directors were the same people responsible for Sonic Youth's and subsequent members' music videos which I should point out are whiter than the Grand Wizards' robe. But Rob likes them, so they get a pass, a special white privilege pass no less. Thinking about it I distinctly remember non-white actors in Inland Empire and Twin Peaks which should naturally render any argument moot, unless the non-white to white ratio does not reach the magic diversity target enough to quell the social justice outrage, at which point I will duck out because this kind or pedantic moral panic bores my tits off.

Genteel Death 2 02.21.2025 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Diesel
Nah, that's something a director like Spike Lee enjoys portraying. There's also no gay characters in his movies, but never mind that possible virtue signal. Maybe his casting directors were the same people responsible for Sonic Youth's and subsequent members' music videos which I should point out are whiter than the Grand Wizards' robe. But Rob likes them, so they get a pass, a special white privilege pass no less. Thinking about it I distinctly remember non-white actors in Inland Empire and Twin Peaks which should naturally render any argument moot, unless the non-white to white ratio does not reach the magic diversity target enough to quell the social justice outrage, at which point I will duck out because this kind or pedantic moral panic bores my tits off.


Precisely.

Toilet & Bowels 02.23.2025 09:45 AM

I don't care about the morality of it, I just think it's weird to only cast white people when about 40% of the population isn't white. So it's obviously a decision he made.

Severian 02.23.2025 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Toilet & Bowels
I don't care about the morality of it, I just think it's weird to only cast white people when about 40% of the population isn't white. So it's obviously a decision he made.



I’m mostly in agreement with you on this, but I don’t necessarily think it was a deliberate choice Lynch made. Don’t ask me why I feel that way, but it’s just the impression I get. Perhaps it’s more of a generational thing than anything else. And he wouldn’t be the first, the last, or the most egregious example of directors casting predominantly white actors.

*shrug*

I do think it’s a bit ridiculous, though. And I’d never really thought about it before, but yeah. It gives one pause.

Bertrand 02.23.2025 12:21 PM

The unions tried to fix it and turn directors in handing black actors a part in movies.
It didn't always work too well, Afro-American actors landed parts that were not interesting at all (I like Moses Gunn for his parts in Wild Rovers and Remember My Name + he was a big stage actor, but what he was given in Rollerball is an insult). The guy who listens to the hero and asks a few questions to help said hero to reach the conclusion the audience had already guessed.
A bit like when an actress had to play the hero's wife, when it was either "don't do it Bill, think about your family" or "do it Bill, don't think about your family, you're a hero" before returning to the kitchen.

Genteel Death 2 02.23.2025 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Toilet & Bowels
I don't care about the morality of it, I just think it's weird to only cast white people when about 40% of the population isn't white. So it's obviously a decision he made.


I put it down to stylistic choices in how some directors decide to narrate a particular story in their movies and want it to look, rather than casting issues concerned with inclusivity. David Lynch's movies aren't about real life in the same way that a movie like 'Ni By Mouth' is. Of course I can't tell if a director is secretly racist, a danger to women, children, queer foetuses etc. Nobody knows. I'm a big fan of Larry Clark's work, but I never had a problem with how some of the characters in his movies seem to or give you the impression of being quite homophobic, transphobic or whatever, no matter your ethnic background. In 'Kids' anyway. In his other movies LGBTQ people simply do not exist. I also think his movies are great in terms of ethnic representation in that the location they are filmed in is represented ethnically, I assume. And probably that same location has quite a few 'queer' characters in their midst who interact with those characters, but they are cut out. I put it down to Larry Clark's having to frame that narrative through how the characters live their lives, not his own personal views of them. A few years ago I've read an interview with Sarah Kane where she explained that the awful violence in her plays did not exactly come out of her imagination, but from reading a book about football's hooliganism she read because she was a fan of the sport. I'm never sure why movies have to suddenly be a political channel to present a just and fair society, since they can't do that anyway.

Antagon 02.24.2025 07:05 AM


 


I'll admit it, I'm a sucker for a well-made Road Movie. And this is a fantastic Road Movie. Frances McDormand gives an absolutely amazing performance and there's just a lot of humanity and warmth to it, dark as some of its subject matters may be. Loved the lighting and sound design too. Just how naturalistic it comes across really took me by surprise (turns out, a lot of the supporting characters were actually played by local nomads and drifters).

choc e-Claire 02.24.2025 11:24 AM

 


The first part of an in-progress epic (the two chapters I saw on Sunday - at about the fourth public screening of this film ever - clocked in at four and a half hours in length). A microbudget personalised drama about being a trans woman and being hurt, and dealing with it by hurting other people in your life. There's a section where our antiheroine is scrolling through 4chan and it was a uniquely horrifying experience to see at least half a dozen things I recognised in that one minute. It can be a bit of a grind to sit through - especially the first, seemingly unrelated chapter about a man's collapse into being an incel - and obviously a cisgender audience would be unlikely to connect with it in the same way I did, but it really scratched at a few thoughts I've been having and I'm glad this film exists.
The movie's pay what you want on Gumroad, and the filming of part 2 is in progress - I think you get access to everything, eventually, if you pay now.


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