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louder 04.18.2014 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by noisereductions
saw that. I feel like RZA and Rae have butted heads for years now right? I mean. What was the point of making Wu-Massacre and Shaolin vs Wu-Tang? I felt like they were both kind of 'rebel albums'.

if Rae thinks he understands modern hip-hop so well.. let's see what he's got on his next solo album.

noisereductions 04.18.2014 12:47 PM

right right?

How was Shaolin Vs Wu-Tang btw?

I loved Wu-Massacre. I thought OB4CL2 was solid.

Severian 04.18.2014 01:07 PM

ALL of this Wu-infighting is making me nervous.
I don't really enjoy thinking about it. It's too close to home.
Of the bands and artists that have meant the most to me for the longest, there are so few that are still making music, still living, and still go by he same name.

Needless to say, Wu Tang Clan is one of them. And as far as hip hop is concerned, with the exception of Kanye West (a relatively recent addition) and Jay-Z (who I love but have already seen bow out once) NOBODY means more to me than Wu Tang clan. And there isn't a rap group in this world who I have much of a fuck about before them.

After feeling the emotional bitch slap SY's breakup caused, I'd rather Rza and Rae and GFK and GZA all get along and stay together, making mediocre music, or just touring, than watch them go out like a bunch of bitches.

I've always said they were the Beatles of hip hop, but the Beatles' break up was fucking depressing and resulted in some slams and shitty moves than threatened to ruin everything great they'd done. I don't want to watch these guys, friends since childhood, piss off like that.

Severian 04.18.2014 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by noisereductions
right right?

How was Shaolin Vs Wu-Tang btw?

I loved Wu-Massacre. I thought OB4CL2 was solid.


Shaolin vs WuTang was damn good. Damn, damn, good. It's been a while, but I feel like I may have preferred it to Wu-Mass. But Wu-Massacre was ridiculous, and hard as fuck. OB4CL2 was of course a massive triumph. Isn't this pretty well established by now?

Chamber Music is also rigoddamndiculous. Even the ramblings of Deepak RZA are pretty badass.

I have to admit, I'd completely forgotten about the shit that lead up to the release of these albums. What made everyone say yes to making the one-of-kind album and the other one that's coming out soon or so hell me god I'll fucking fly to Shaolin and challenge the entire clan to some shadowboxin' nonsense!

Severian 04.18.2014 01:11 PM

SO, has anyone... ANYONE... Listened to SMOKE DZA OR DOPPELGANGAZ YET?!

noisereductions 04.18.2014 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Severian
SO, has anyone... ANYONE... Listened to SMOKE DZA OR DOPPELGANGAZ YET?!


no. I seem to be in a pretty old school place right now. Listening to the Nas and Mobb Deep reissues. I'm trying to think. Maybe the only 2014 hip hop album I've been into is - well the new Mobb Deep - and then that Spaceghostpurrp.

Like I mentioned too, I've been kind of into collecting physical copies of a lot of older hip hop CD's lately too. So it's got my mind kind of on old stuff instead of new stuff.

ANYWAY

Wu-Tang in-fighting... not to be a cynic, but part of me thinks that some of it is getting blown out of proportion as a hype-machine man. A lot of in-fighting leading up to an album release right?

louder 04.18.2014 01:32 PM

i liked Wu-Massacre when it came out.

OB4CL2 has some great songs like Ason Jones and the Dr. Dre-produced songs, but i rarely have the urge to listen to it.

never listened to Shaolin vs. Wu-Tang either.

noisereductions 04.18.2014 08:09 PM

 

noisereductions 04.19.2014 09:06 AM

 
 

louder 04.19.2014 11:12 AM

new Ab-Soul track, samples Joey Badass at the end: https://soundcloud.com/topdawgent/ab...tree-of-life-1

wow, crazy.

noisereductions 04.19.2014 05:41 PM

so I feel like this slipped under everyone's radar:

 


it's actually really good man. It's only 12 tracks. Real lean. Just surprisingly solid beats, and the juxtaposition of Snoop and Wiz's flows is pretty awesome.

noisereductions 04.20.2014 10:48 AM

seems that Louder's Hip Hop Cafe I & II threads are gone?

louder 04.20.2014 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by noisereductions
seems that Louder's Hip Hop Cafe I & II threads are gone?

:eek:

just checked.. no they aren't.

I: http://sonicyouth.com/gossip/showthread.php?t=78817

II: http://sonicyouth.com/gossip/showthread.php?t=86627

Severian 04.20.2014 05:09 PM

http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/013...g?v=1397173749

Bought this because I missed everything I wanted from RSD. Got there late. Fuck. Anyway, I wanted to spend some money. We'll see.

Any Ratking fans out there?

louder 04.21.2014 01:04 PM

yo NR! check out this new SGP track, soo dope: https://soundcloud.com/spaceghostpur...g-live-da-funk

noisereductions 04.21.2014 04:00 PM

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Jay Z was involved in an alleged extortion plot concerning master recordings that were previously thought to be lost, TMZ reports. Producer Chauncey Mahan, who worked with Hov from 1998 to 2002, was questioned by the Los Angeles police department on Friday regarding his possession of master tapes that Jay Z's camp assumed went missing in 2002.
Mahan allegedly contacted Live Nation, the concert promotion company that is partnered with Jay Z on Roc Nation, and said he would either let the tapes go up for auction or accept $100,00 for them. After agreeing to $75,000, he went to meet Jay Z's people, who had already contacted the LAPD. Mahan was then detained for questioning by the LAPD, who took possession of the tapes while it's determined who owns them.
TMZ reports that the tapes are worth $15 to $20 million. Mahan wasn't arrested, but the Beverly Hills police department is investigating him for extortion, while Jay Z's people have filed a grand larceny complaint with the NYPD.

uh so I think the thing to really take out of this is - maybe we'll get an album of unreleased 98-02 songs???

noisereductions 04.21.2014 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by louder
yo NR! check out this new SGP track, soo dope: https://soundcloud.com/spaceghostpur...g-live-da-funk


this is good!

noisereductions 04.21.2014 06:52 PM

 

foreverasskiss 04.22.2014 12:43 AM

the Wu Massacre and The Infamous Mobb Deep is real good! more Wu please.

noisereductions 04.22.2014 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by foreverasskiss
The Infamous Mobb Deep is real good!


YEAH! I'm glad somebody else gave it a shot. I can't get over how much I'm feeling that record.

I bought that and Illmatic XX on mp3, but I need to pick up both physical copies soon. Nice collectibles.

louder 04.22.2014 10:45 AM

the new Future album is great, just like everything else he's done to date.

Rob Instigator 04.22.2014 01:08 PM

New 'face album is coming out soon
http://youtu.be/2c6cYLHNCz4

noisereductions 04.22.2014 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
New 'face album is coming out soon
http://youtu.be/2c6cYLHNCz4


nice, he was on the Combat Jack Show podcast last week. I haven't heard the episode yet, but must be promoting.

Rob Instigator 04.22.2014 02:46 PM

Gots to promote, cuz the black radio won't play him.

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 04.22.2014 02:59 PM

that is cuz ain't no young folkz give a fuck about Face. ITS 2014 yo. Shit, people didn't give enough fuck about Scarface ...in 1994 let alone 2014 ;)

One of most underrated MCs of all time, probably should have made my B-List but I didn't have the heart

Rob Instigator 04.22.2014 03:12 PM

young folks do not "determine" programming. programming on radio is specifically aimed to shove acts down young people's throats. face has talked about this.

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 04.22.2014 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
young folks do not "determine" programming. programming on radio is specifically aimed to shove acts down young people's throats. face has talked about this.


Face is just being bitter because they never invited him to that "radio/MTV rap" club even though he has rapped with all of the biggest names of the 1990s (hence why he deserved to be on my b-list top 5)!! The reality is that people just didn't care. He DID catch a little bit of radio fame, at precisely the time when he could have taken off! Yet, people just didn't bite on it. It doesn't negate his talent, but it is just a reality of the situation. Scarface wasn't entirely pushed out by the record industry, people in general were just not feeling it!

Come to think of it, I think I put Scarface in my top-5 of local rap heroes and rightfully so..

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Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous
By the way, I think we should distinguish between B-List rappers whose legacy is guest appearances in nationally popular groups and those whose career was merely limited to the local scene.

My top 5 locals only?

(1) Scarface: Yeah. This dude is BAD! But really, outside of Houston and LA never caught on. Should. THIS is still perhaps the single best rap song ever released. Cadence. Substance. Delivery. Beats. Samples. What more do we need?

(2) DJ Quik: While Quik did get some national attention, realistically he was more like a traditional B-List supporting rapper who made a career rapping on other peoples' tracks BUT in LA dude is definitely a certified veteran legend.

(3) The Grouch: This dude was the antithesis to Eminem, he was a white rapper that surprised everybody. A Yay Area staple that didn't translate well out of the underground scene. Even in LA folks be like, "Who?"

(4) Silkk the Shocker: I also really loved Silkk, but this dude really didn't get big beyond the New Orleans area, even when No Limit was at its 1999 peak. Still, a solid and very original a rapper, and whose solo releases were actually better than his guest appearances.

(5) Twista: While for a brief window it appeared that Twista might jump on Death Row bandwagon and catch fame, he came a few years too late, especially as The Chronic 2001 essentially destroyed Death Row's attempt at an early 2000s revival. Twista was big in Chi-town though, and the dude had a lot of unique skills and an original persona. I personally was digging it.


louder 04.22.2014 03:50 PM

have you guys ever listened to GZA's debut ("Words from the Genius")? is it worth checking out?

noisereductions 04.22.2014 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by louder
have you guys ever listened to GZA's debut ("Words from the Genius")? is it worth checking out?


worth checking out, but sounds nothing like Liquid Swords y'know? It's very much a product of its time. "Stay Out Of Bars" was always a track I liked. There's some good songs there.

louder 04.22.2014 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by noisereductions
worth checking out, but sounds nothing like Liquid Swords y'know? It's very much a product of its time. "Stay Out Of Bars" was always a track I liked. There's some good songs there.

aight, i'll give it a listen soon then. ;)

here's what GZA himself said about the album:

"I was signed to Cold Chillin' 'bout five years ago," GZA recalled in 1995. "They put out an album but didn't promote it. They tried to put it out again last year after everything happened with the Clan, put a '94 date on it, but still didn't put any money behind it, so it didn't sell twice. I'm still proud of it, though. The beats ain't all that but, lyrically, shit was bangin'. So it wasn't all peaches and cream, but I was determined to break through. 'A quitter never wins, and a winner never quits.'"

.. interesting.



by the way, i just ordered this book: The Wu-Tang Manual

i'm gonna learn so much from it, right? so excited.

noisereductions 04.22.2014 05:38 PM

I had the 95 version back in the day> I think it was re-released w/ the original art again in the early 2000's.

I read the Wu-Tang Manual. It's great.

Rob Instigator 04.23.2014 09:04 AM

The MD Anderson library at the University of HOuston where I work has been digitgizing their Hip Hop collections from Special Collections department. They just released the link to HAWK's archive. http://digital.lib.uh.edu/collection/hawk

There are also tons of DJ screw, Big Moe, and H-town hip hop history items.

noisereductions 04.23.2014 09:27 AM

thx for the link, Rob! Tons of cool stuff to dig thru when I got time. I saw Pen & Pixel photoshoots in there. Unreal.

an evening with viewtiful 04.23.2014 12:38 PM

I got to go see a lot of these photos, old records, and other artifacts in the flesh at our library last year. One of those moments that actually made me feel some school spirit.

noisereductions 04.23.2014 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by an evening with viewtiful
I got to go see a lot of these photos, old records, and other artifacts in the flesh at our library last year. One of those moments that actually made me feel some school spirit.


that's cool.

If you guys didn't, I'd recommend the book Dirty South to read. The chapter on Screw is really great.

louder 04.23.2014 12:58 PM

so viewtiful.. do you like Honest?

an evening with viewtiful 04.23.2014 01:20 PM

^haven't listened to it yet. Is it more ballad or banger heavy?

louder 04.23.2014 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by an evening with viewtiful
^haven't listened to it yet. Is it more ballad or banger heavy?

there is a good mix of both. and there's a song with Andre 3000 that's dope as hell. Andre and Future start exchanging bars and their flow is crazy.

noisereductions 04.23.2014 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by louder
there is a good mix of both. and there's a song with Andre 3000 that's dope as hell. Andre and Future start exchanging bars and their flow is crazy.


interest level just went way up.

BUT

I heard 4 or so tracks off the new Pharoahe Monch album and now I'm pretty pumped to pick that up. PTSD. Some crazy tracks on there. Monch is awesome. I was a big Organized Konfusion fan back in the day.

Rob Instigator 04.23.2014 03:40 PM

 


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