Yes, yes he did, a shame he is getting away from it

Oh, did I mention I'm listening to this right now:



It's not all infuriatingly whiny... "Grief" certainly is... (Honestly, Earl - nobody's lifting your flows, and nobody's trying to be you, you're not 2Pac, so shut the fuck up and enjoy life already) .... But that particular song is delivered in kind of a new register for Earl. It's a scratchy awkward teen voice. It's not a pretty sound. The other songs don't piss me off quite as much.

Anyway, I still think pretty much all of OF (except for Frank Ocean) needs to show some serious improvement in production if they don't want to hit a giant fucking brick wall. Their sound has not changed ... It's still working, but I promise you, you'll have a few déjà vu moments where you swear Earl's rapping over a Doris beat.

It can't touch the year's top releases. Not one bit. But it's worth having. No doubt my opinion will change several times... but I think that much will remain the same. It's a must hear, whether you like it or not.

I'll listen to Earl later tonight.

Yo I keep telling y'all that Mike G is one of the best dudes in OF. But everyone's a sleepyhead. I swear, he's like "the quiet one" that nobody ever talks about when it comes to OF.

Wait earl got a new record too? Shit i been busy what would i do without y'all.. its why i tolerate the kanye bromances cuz in between the Kanye slurp fest you guys post some good new shit

Action Bronson dropped a new album too, Mr. Wonderful. It's cool enough. The dude's talented, sounds like Ghostface still, and has a unique charm about him. I like him, he has an edge and a sense of humor simultaneously.

The singles are also legit.

Actin' Crazy
Baby Blue ft. Chance the Rapper

you can't quit us, babe.

I do ignore most posts though so clearly I'm trying

Yeah, bro... I already mentioned, like, pretty much everything you wrote in this post, except I apparently like the album a whole lot more, because I put it at #3 of the year so far (for hip-hop).

Glad to know I'm not the only one who thinks he cops from GFK.

Truthfully though, I hate pretty much *all* white rappers. I mean, of course I love El-P and the Beasties, and a small handful of other notable who have avoided sounding like complete fucking assholes when they rap... But I really can't stand SO many of them.

Bronson, like Jonwayne, just does it right. I don't sit and think "Wow, this guy really is white inn't he?" when I listen to his records. He may be pulling from Pretty Tony's magic tophat, but he sounds so much more comfortable in his flow than all those other bitches.

Oh, and Mackerel-more sucks a fat load of shit too. Ha.

I really hope you'll join the discussion, which I'll be forcing everyone here to have, when the new ICP double-album drops then. :)

Sev, you hate on Grouch?

Ok, I don't just hate all white rappers because they're white. I tend to hate most of them because they sound like shit.

ICP has so many other things wrong with them that I can't even begin to address where their whiteness falls in the list of their shortcomings.

I love Cypress Hill though, as well as the aforementioned Jonwayne and Bronson and Beasties. So not being black doesn't necessarily fuck you in my mind.

uh so I listened to the Action Bronson and I think it's pretty damn excellent.

I know right? Bronson is officially on fucking fire.

And you know what I love most about him?
He doesn't give a FUCK.

He's obviously got a champion flow, with excellent taste in beats and a very solid identity. He's doing his thing and it's goofy and also extremely badass, and he's not going to be crying jimself to sleep over Pitchfork's 6.0 review.

He's bad as hell, and his record is dope.

Now Earl's bitching about the launch of his album, and how the label fucked it up.

"Well now everything's just RUINED! This was supposed to be MY album launch. Just Nevermind the stupid album and leave me alone to smoke weed and brood! Thanks a lot, COLUMBIA. Worst employees a teenager could possibly have! Why does everything awful happen to mee?"

Fuck it earl an emotional dude

ok so this Earl album is a huge letdown. it's lo-fi and really droney, i just find it boring. it actually made me appreciate Doris more though so congrats for that, i guess.

Wait, i totally forgot Dead Prez were in that movie Whiteboys

Dude... I feel your frustration with OF. Trust me. We first bonded over talking OF back in the days of Bastard and OF Tape 2... Remember?

Anyway I understand why the refusal of Earl and Tyler (specifically) to grow as musicians, lyricists and producers has put you on edge and disappointed you, because it's done the same thing to me. BUT- I don't think the new Earl album is that bit of a disappointment.

I do feel that Frank Ocean is far and away the most talented and musically varied artist in the entire group, which is frustrating in itself since he hasn't released an album in just under 3 fucking years (!), and I feel like those early claims about OFWGKTA being the millennial answer to Wu-Tang were EXTREMELY premature and unfounded. But I don't think Earl's making BAD work: he's growing as an emcee. His flow is picking up pace, and he's god a better vocabulary at 19 than most rappers have at the peak of their career.

It's not great. It doesn't floor me. And the video for Grief feels like a really desperate attempt to "stay hardcore" in an almost ICP fashion, with creepy imagery that detracts from the underwhelming lyrics.

But Domo Genesis put out a dope mixtape last year, and Frank's gearing up for a new album. So keep the hope alive.

I think what we need is a full length, official OF album. Something with equal input from all members. Something mature to offset the first few tapes, which no longer excite most of us.

I think Tyler needs to let go of the reins and they need to bring in some fresh production and work like a group. There are so many excellent producers out there who are up to the task of revitalizing the OF sound. Since Tyler's NOT RZA, and even RZA fucked up in the end, there's no reason he should be behind the boards all the goddamn time.

Don't lose hope man. Frank Ocean is still one of the best names in the game. He's up there. Like, seriously. One of the best artists in the world. "Pyramids," bro!

Frank is amazing obviously, Channel Orange was my favorite album of 2012, i ranked it just slightly above Good Kid and Fiona Apple's album.

Earl is an incredible rapper, besides that i also really like his personality. he's as awkward as the next dude (or should i say - swagless?), yet completely comfortable in his skin, which i find admirable. Tyler is a childish little cunt, but also a super dope producer and even a really good rapper when he tries, which makes it kinda hard for me to hate him.

Odd Future are a talented bunch. i've been waiting for Earl's next move for a long time, and this one just feels like a little appetizer that didn't leave me satisfied.. maybe it'll grow on me, but thus far i think it should've been released as a mixtape.

it seems like Earl is the sensitive type which means smoking weed doesn't resonate well with him. maybe it's time for him to kick his habit, go outside and get inspired by real life events.

http://www.directlyrics.com/new-musi...view-news.html

OH!!

edit: that song is some underwhelming commercial bullshit just like 4 5 Seconds though.

I'm familiar with all of those to some degree apart from Black Sheep, Outlaws and Souls of Mischief so will investigate, thanks.

So I've now discovered Odd Futures thanks to this thread which is sweet. I had heard of Tyler the Creator before but hadn't realised he was any good or somehow thought it was more mainstream or something Idk hehe.

Really liking Earl Sweatshirt.

Any chance someone could do me a wee Odd Futures primer if they get a chance? A humble ta in advance.

DOPE!!

Whorefrost did you check out Gravediggaz, Sunz of Man, Tha Alkoholiks, Northstar, RBX, or the Luniz?

https://youtu.be/fZUJNwxMZFM?t=54s

An OF primer? Yeah, that could easily be arranged. Do you want a playlist, or just a guide (where to start, and where to go from there...)?

Louder, NR and I could all do this for you pretty fucking easily.

If you have either a reliable torrent site or $$ to spend on iTunes, I would recommend the following trajectory:

Start with OF's Radical from 2010. No, it's not their first release, but if we're going for efficiency here, skip The Odd Future Tape vol.1, and dog right the fuck into this.

If you like it, immediately get 2011's 12 Odd Future Songs, as well as Tyler, the Creator's debut Bastard, Earl Sweatshirt's first mixtape titled EARL, Frank Ocean's EXCELLENT early mixtape Nostalgia.Ultra and the breakthrough album BlackenedWhite by MellowHype (OF-spin off project by members Hodgy Beats and Left Brain; prod. Left Brain, and one of the best albums in the history of the group, (though this fact is often overlooked or
simply ignored)


If you like what you hear, congrats you're probably a fan. Download Tyler's Goblin, the OF tapes (1 and 2), Domo Genesis's badass mixtapes and whatever else you can get your hands on. Steer clear of Wolf, because I think I've come to the conclusion that it sucks.


THE BEST ODD FUTURE STUDIO ALBUMS ARE: Frank Ocean's ChannelORANGE and Earl's Doris. That's the god's honest truth. I'm tempted to say Nostalgia.Ultra instead of Doris, but I don't want to sound like a twat. Seriously though, Frank Ocean is the best and most interesting, most mature, classiest, most incentive creative voice in the group, and broths doesn't even really rap. Like, ever.

Happy hunting.

Mike G is the best.

But Sev's list is solid.

If you want a playlist of tracks we could do that. "oldie" is obvious but legit.

Frank Ocean - yep, everything.
Earl Sweatshirt - Doris, Earl (then maybe I Don't Like Shit, I Don't Go Outside)
Tyler, The Creator - Wolf (then maybe Bastard and Goblin)

group compilations:
The OF Tape Vol. 2
Radical

his verses on Oldie and Sunday are really great though.

the Chris Brown diss on Sunday, jesus..

"They thought me soft in High School, thank God I'm jagged
Forgot you don't like it rough, I mean he called me a faggot
I was just calling his bluff
I mean how anal am I gon' be when I'm aiming my gun"

Damn, enormous thanks brothers!

With the exception of Gravediggaz, no, so thanks!

Thanks man, this is exactly what I was after, and most of it looks to be freely available here

Frankie's verse on "Oldie" is one of my favorites on there. His, Earl's and Mike G's. But the whole track is unbelievable.

Good call on Radical, louder. Feels like that one's always overlooked, but I loved that album back when.

PS, I keep wishing every year that those early tapes like Radical, Earl, Bastard, etc would get some kind of CD pressing.

What did you think of my little startup guide?

I was trying to focus on the essentials, and end with the absolute must-have solid gold studio LP's.

You'll notice that I, too, noted Radical as a high point for the group, and as an excellent starting point for the relative newb. High five?

Also, I was trying to avoid albums that all three of us had seemed to find unanimously disappointing in the long run. This is why I avoided Wolf... I know we all geeked out when it initially dropped, but it ended up not even making my top 10 hip hop albums that year.

I thought you and louder felt the same way, but now I see our comrade recommending it OVER both Bastard AND Goblin. Wtf louder?

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Yes, Mike G is a great rapper and needs to put out a goddamn proper album for fuck's sake! Still, Mike Check and Ali are both dope Mixtapes, even though I don't think he'd quite come into his own yet.

I also really like Domo's solo mixtape's, especially last year's Under the Influence 2. But I stand by the releases I recommended, as I believe they more or less cover the absolute best from most of the different factions and substrata of the OFWGKTA universe.

word, your guide was a good start for sure.

Honestly I don't think Wolf or Goblin are as good as Bastard fro beginning to end. Wolf and Goblin both feel like they are half awesome and half tracks I want to skip.

i think that the highs on Wolf are higher than Bastard, "48" is my favorite Tyler song and "Rusty" might be his best verse to date. but yeah it's inconsistent.

i used to bump "BlackenedWhite" by MellowHype and "Rolling Papers" by Domo back in the day too, and even that Untitled EP by Hodgy was solid, but whatever. not that big on OF anymore. Frank and Earl are still dope though.

I like when that one guy says "How I could just kill a man."

im enjoying this guy right now. he's funny and has a great flow. Ghostface came to mind before i read the complete post.

love the one with Chance the Rapper.

speaking of Ghostface??...no mention of 36 Seasons here?