I first didn't even want to tell you, but you're on my ignore list from now on until the end of times :D
How dare you, they are pride of the Dutch music scene!


This is what you are


it's so funny that the only Dutch music that is famous abroad is the techno trance gabber bonk bonk bonk bonk boknboknboknboknboknboknboknbokn

What about Shocking Blue, Golden Earring? It also really depends on what stuff you're into. Go to any goth party in Europe or beyond and those guys are absolutely huge. :D
This is incredibly off-topic though.

This could well be a summer that sees both main parties looking for new leaders. All three, if you consider Vince Cable's standing down from the Lib Dems at the end of July.

EDIT: Labour manage to hold on to Peterborough. So looks like a reprieve for Corbyn?

was just coming to post this. but... fuck corbyn!

(i guess in your country i’d be a liberal democrat haaahaaahaaa. i think... i don’t know them in person, so not sure...)

eta: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...om-Labour.html

i don’t know what many of these issues are but labor appears to be hot on price controls. on energy? yikes...

The problem with the lib dems is they tend to try and occupy any ground that that the two main parties seem to neglect and which offers a large pool of potential votes, Right now it's the Remain voters who want a 2nd referendum, a few years ago they were trying to attract students by offering to abolish tuition fees, only to then form a coalition with the Tories and raised them. They have a real credibility problem and although they did pick up a lot of votes in the EU election, I think a lot of people still see them as quite cynical opportunists with no real core set of beliefs. Right now they feel like a bit of a New Labour tribute act, ten years ago they were the Left wing alternative to New Labour.

oooh! i see... that’s fucked up.

lmao

"Just saw Michael Gove in South London"

"Tooting?"

"Probably, he was in and out the toilets a lot"

Boris way ahead in the 1st leadership election vote. Looks like it'll be a straight fight between him and Hunt.

God I wish it was a straight forward fight. I'd pay to see that Boris "the slugger" Johnson vs Jeremy "the slayer of the cunt" Hunt

"Don't make me angry. You won't like me when I'm angry"

We've moved quite a way from this being a book discussion so thought I'd move it here ...

No, not offended at all.

my work gives me a special interest in what's going on at universities but I'm aware it's a far bigger problem within society at large. But a side of me now just wants the lunacy to accelerate till it collapses altogether, under the weight of its own madness.

i know you werent offended, was just more satire. since anyone can perceive offense (offence), and your laws suck, maybe the mps would feel harassed by the putdowns. lol.

that’s very maoist, the wanting the contradictions to accelerate. i dont know that it’s a good thing. but maybe.

anyway i thought the reading place was right for this. since you guys are breeding the last man, i was about to suggest nietzsche.

It's not Maoist. Mao wanted to accelerate revolution, whereas Accelerationism works WITH (rather than against) the very thing it seeks to overcome by pushing it to its extreme until it becomes so untenable that it forces a revolutionary response. I wasn't being 100% serious in advocating it but, nonetheless, it's totally unrelated to Maoism.

oh, that was the wrong... end. mao was all about “contradiction”. his rework of hegel et. al.

see:
https://www.marxists.org/reference/a...1/mswv1_17.htm

once i had to deal with some fucking maoists who wanted no peace but were all about exacerbating/intensifying/making obvious the “contradictions,” and some things might have been lost in translation (and memory) when i said accelerate.

and maybe that wasn’t the official party line, but your idea reminded me of that—embracing the “contradiction” and pushing it till it “resolves”

i had never heard of this accelerationism business, so i had no referent for it, and will now go looking for info.

but see, one can find maoism even in the unmentionable. i will go post that link in its thread because i want no part of that here.

Like I said, I was only half serious about the Accelerationist thing. If it has one thing in common with Maoism, it's a nice idea when confined to a seminar room but likely to cause far more harm than good when applied to the real world.

aaah half serious



maoism overall is seriously shit though.

i was only referring to the “metaphysics” of it though, in your stated (joking) wishes.

anyway, this can’t be news. we’re in the wrong thread lol.

let’s talk about the further crashing of the pound. i missed out on last week’s action due to... some goddamn distractions. which were necessary, but stilll... uuuffff....

The big news here is obviously the tory leadership contest, which is being stupidly dragged out over a series of knockout rounds. Just have a final members' vote involving all remaining candidates, and have done with. Whoever wins it (and everyone knows it'll be Boris) has only got until October 31st to get a deal so why waste time?

ok i’d like to ask...

what kind of person is this boris guy?

reckless? narcissistic? cunning? competent? what exactly?

all the above except competent

so the pound dropping to $1.13 under his tenure then? :D

(for reference, current rate is circa $1.25, and remain would send you up to $1.50)

(1.13 means crashing out with no deal)

my take is:
a cunning competent pm would get you a deal from europe ($1.35 or thereabouts)
a narcissistic incompetent would crash you out and call it a win while the economy burns

You may well be right about the economic cost of no deal but I don't see a deal coming off now either, so chances are it'll be a stalemate leading to a general election which I can see Corbyn winning, and that would almost certainly have a very negative impact on the £, even if it resulted in the UK remaining.

Talking neutrally (which I'm obviously not) I'd say the safest economic option is to remain in the EU with a moderate conservative government in parliament, but I think neither brexiteers or those who support a Corbyn government are primarily motivated by economic performance. I think both camps are prepared to take a hit in that regard.

ah, yeah, fuck... a marxist pm lololol

what could trigger the general election? a no-confidence vote for boris?

any other thing? when does the term expire anyway? this government was formed in 2017 yeah? could it go on to 2022? so complicated..

I may be wrong here (Australia is just bootleg UK for political purposes), but I think there's no hard limit and the Queen can dissolve it at any time (on the advice of the Prime Minister). I think there's laws saying it has to be within five years though.

A no confidence vote would be most likely.

yeah i found the wikipedia that sez the hard limit is 5years after all


but otherwise, could boris keep going till 2022?

Yeah, although the Queen would never dissolve parliament without 1st being asked to do-so by parliament itself, even though in principle she could.

In theory yes. Even if he failed to deliver Brexit, if he somehow survived a vote of no confidence, he could run the full term.

She's in her 90s now; how good would it be if, a week before she died, she did something insane just for shits and giggles?

"Your Majesty, we request you give Royal Assent to this law."
"No."
"Your Majesty, it's decades and decades of convention..."
"We say 'YOLO'."

As I've said, I think both Brexiteers and those wanting a Corbyn government both accept (if only privately) that the country would take a hit if either side came to power. But it does make me laugh when corbyn supporters go on about how Brexit would fuck the country's economy when most economic analysts I've read has said that yes, business fears Brexit but it fears a Corbyn government even more.

haaahaaahaaaaaa

Here's the worst case scenario from an economic standpoint: Boris gets no-deal through by suspending parliament. There's a revolt from both parties, a general election is called, Corbyn wins so we have him AND no deal.

pound crashes to $.90 maybe

you know soros made megabillions by shorting the pound, yes?

So it's (down to) Boris (or Jeremy Hunt).

now mixed signals from europe on further delay extension (slovakia, ireland) but consensus seems unanimous on unchanging terms.

As far as I know any further extension would require unanimous agreement from the other EU nations, so I can't see it.

so what do you think boris could effectively accomplish?

threaten to walk away, trigger a no-confidence, end up with labor + revocation?

I think a gen election is inevitable and the Tories are only interested in selecting a leader they think has the best chance against Corbyn. But until Corbyn comes off the fence, I see Labour continuing to haemorrhage votes to both the Lib Dems and the Brexit Party.

is there a viable way to boot out corbyn or is he lodged there like a cyst?

He has a devoted following within the party membership but I wonder if even that's starting to grow impatient with him over this. But he's been deeply divisive from the start, both within his party and amongst voters. I'd say he has roughly the same strengths and weaknesses as Bernie Sanders has in the US.