for everyone suddenly attacking me because i am apparently the last non partisan on Earth kindly remember i posted this about Trump months ago ;)

we were ALL in the resistance, right?

This was an absolutely apt read BUT only in the broader context not specifically of Trump's totally overblown 2nd Amendment comments but rather in ALL of the inflammatory rhetoric of the Republican Party not just in this election cycle but since Obama's election. The "Where Is Lee Harvey Oswald When We Need Him" bumper stickers were real deal incitement to violence. The "Lock her up" chants at the RNC were menacing. I did indeed catch Al Baldasaro's outright threat (THIS IS WHAT A REAL THREAT TO VIOLENCE LOOKS LIKE) last month.

I just wish everyone wasn't so focused on the 2nd Amendment comment because it makes it so easy to dismiss the other more dangerous comments as if they were somehow similar.

Lets be grown ups here. Lets criticize what is fair to criticize, lets shrug off what is not really a big deal.

if you put those comments right in the very context you describe you'll see that he's playing with matches next to a gasoline barrel. same with his claims that the election is rigged. so yes, if you look at each word in isolation it can mean a lot of things, but in context--no señor. in context he's teasing the death cock of hate and getting it hard. the fucker is an irresponsible madman unfit to be a small town mayor much less president of the USA.

and OF COURSE the democrats are going to milk that for all it's worth. that doesn't invalidate the stupid blunder. a politician's #1 job is to control their fucking piehole.

agreed


yes indeed I said this months ago, however I think the 2nd Amendment thing is ridiculous. Dragging Dr King's daughter into it was especially rich. It just fits into the prototypical stereotypes of "liberals" and frankly I think makes a lot of the Democrats look petty and self absorbed like I said above.

Point blank. I personally think the more mature way for the Democrats to have handled this was to say something like, "Well sure the 2nd Amendment comments might have been about voting, but what about all the other insinuations and outright calls for violence?"


See how that works? It offers something of an olive branch while more strictly focusing the issue on raising awareness about the overall vile rhetoric coming out of the Republicans for YEARS now. If we are all going to waste our time on the 2nd Amendment comments we miss the opportunity to discuss all the much worse things said.

By focusing on the 2nd Amendment comments it allows Trump and his supporters to slither out of it. By more or less conceding Trump's own excuse/defense and then pushing the discussion towards more obvious and undeniable examples of violent and inflammatory rhetoric is puts the impetus on Trump and his supporters to try and apologize for the inexcusable which will hurt them so much more int he court of public opinion

Funny how you find nothing suspect about what Trump said but are happy to imply that I'm a racist over mine.

Tell me to check the facts, fine, but I trust that you know full well that I wasn't even using that example to make a point about race.

Noam discusses elections with Amy Goodman

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qFWGE1oDoA

i am not the one posting dumb shit about black lives matter. btw i didn't say or imply that you are racist but that what you posted was racist. i know you to otherwise be a smart person so i am genuinely shocked. either you're trolling us, or you just didn't realize what you said.



i didn't tell you to check any facts, that was !@#$!.. do however explain what point you were trying to make?

that's because my response was the appropriate one to give someone i've known for years here.

there's a lot of misinformation out there about BLM, fox news attacks them regularly, and they were constantly denounced and vilified at the republican convention.

so clearly some of that noise unfairly sticks--and demonyo, who lives across the atlantic, and has local news of his own to worry about, happened to fall for it.

but what he posted wasn't "racist"-- it was just the wrong attribution. there were actual people who chanted that, after all-- but it just wasn't BLM. so it wasn't a "racist" statement however you cut it.

get off your high horse. demonrail is a smart and empathetic guy. i have known him to be quite sensible. that he would even remotely fall for the propaganda i find peculiar. again, i don't think he is racist, but he should be told that what he posted agrees with the racists who perpetuate such misinformation. i know he isn't racist so hopefully this is a reality check moment for him to think before posting dumb shit in the future no matter what he or anyone thinks about my posts about Trump's 2nd Amendment.comments

physician, heal thyself!

oh, I'm down, always self reflective.

but demonrail doesn't need an apologist, he just needs to explain what he meant or ask questions to learn where he was wrong.

also my bad, i originally intended to say "hey demonrail's white knight, get off your high horse" which would have been more facetious as i initially intended it to be.

i only got involved because you named me in your post

so i just wanted to clarify that our comments were not in any way equivalent or related or even in the same galaxy :P

no they weren't hence why i told demonrail it was you who said check facts. i wasn't that so nice or diplomatic because again i was sincerely shocked at demonrail's comments, genuinely surprised, and honestly don't know what he really meant. i would appreciate clarification. black lives matter is a serious thing, if you ask me way more substantive and significant an issue than Trump's dumb 2nd amendment comments

yeah blm is serious business which is why there's so much shit said about them

problem is when you saw demon's post you didn't stop and think. you got on your high horse, the horse got spooked, ran you into a ditch, and threw you

but anyway, look at this motherfucker calling protesters "terrorists"

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/...ur-cities.html

meanwhile cops killing innocent civilians week in and week out are "just doing their duty"

ayayay... fucking fox news!

who is the real terrorist?

anyway, my favorite is this one:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...th-arms-in-air

"sir, why did you shoot me?"
"i don't know"

that's beyond--- everything!

stop and think about what? again i like the guy, respect him a lot, but i refuse to believe a person who has demonstrated himself to be so thoughtful across several years posting here would fall for some propaganda shit. if he didn't know better it shocks me.

also i like how you are glossing over the fact that he also insinuated as some kind of insult to me. he said my skills of interpretation were blunted by Black Lives Matter implying he thinks their rhetoric is violent or worse than Trump's.

FUCK THAT SHIT. nothing to "think about" first, so i called him out which based on the venom of his comments i assumed is what he wanted.

flip it all around back on to me because (a) i didn't sip the "Trump calling for assassinations" kool aid like apparently the entire leftist world and (b) i don't concede to dumb shit even from my friends, indeed especially from my friends. if i didn't think so highly of demonrail i wouldn't have bothered btw.

Me, I don't have that problem. Me, I always tell the truth. Even when I lie. So say good night to the bad guy! Come on. The last time you gonna see a bad guy like this again, let me tell you.

you're kind of a lot like trump in that when you fuck up you never admit wrong and just insist and double down ha ha ha

happy friday man. let go of shit and fucking relax.

oh this tired false narrative again? i admit to being wrong all the time, and apologize here more than anyone. indeed i apologize for the dickhead high horse remark earlier, that was immature of me.

in this instance of the black lives matter comment im not the one who made the mistake and so i owe neither apologies nor explanations, but demonrail does.

Just go home and smoke a big fat joint man

haha noted.

to be sure I'm not mad at anyone, i know reading words doesn't always well convey tone. i don't mean to pick on demonrail or anyone else, but what was said was said and needed to be called out.

aside from that i hope he and everyone else knows its all good

im drinking aperol and beer

salud!

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I don't see any need to apologise (to who, BLM?) but I don't mind explaining.

I was saying that we live in an era when political groups make violent statements that require no interpretation. I mistakenly used BLM as an example, but could've easily used certain fundamentalist religious groups, or far right fascist ones instead - who make no bones about their aims and methods. My point was that, in such a climate, maybe a few people's powers of interpretation become blunted to thinly veiled statements of provocation by people such as Trump.

I wasn't aware that the 'dead cops now' chant wasn't actually made by members of BLM. News coverage here suggested it had and I didn't know about any counter claims until El Symbols pointed it out. I imagine the counter claim was big news in the US. It wasn't here, where we had to deal with stuff like Brexit, a resigning prime minister, a labour party meltdown, Boris Johnson's appointment as foreign secretary, whether Tony Blair is a war criminal, a panic about terrorism, Joe Hart's future at Man City.

Noam sez vote Hillary! Bet he never thought he'd say that.

Anonymous just sez vote anyone but Trump.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rx6Ho60u_8

he said swallow your bitter spit and do your duty ha ha ha

what a fascist!

ha ha ha ha

but yeah this is the same as the show right? because i heard that conversation on the radio.

thank you for clarification. sorry for barking at you. you should know here there is a racist agenda to smear Black Lives Matters as a violent and racist group. it wants to portray it as anti white, anti cop.

BBC News accurately reports Black Lives Matters information, if the British news sources you read gave you the wrong information perhaps time to get a new news source?

the reason i jumped on you was the racist agenda to portray Black Lives Matter is intended to totally discredit the group and movement as being a violent hate group so that the real message of anti police brutality anti corruption can be swept under the rug of misinformation.

the American police kill 1,200 people a year. its a serious issue. the police have killed people close to me. its a sensitive issue

actually Noam has never been real big on ideological purity. Pragmatic, I'd say, he's got a real sense of history, so that leads one into decision points that go in a better direction ahead

and btw i know all about brexit, dumbass boris, and terrorism threats in UK so honestly its not that hard to be informed about both domestic and international news

1200 total kills or 1200 innocents?

how many innocents and how many dangerous criminals in actual shootouts?

percentages?

i'd research this myself but its saturday and lunch is upon me

very few of those are shootouts or warranted.

i have a hangover! what kind of shitty beer that was...

i just wanna know if they kill more innocents than terrorists

im so high right now on tomato salad holy shit

a) the data on numbers killed is hard enough to calculate because the federal government doesn't keep this data, its found by investigating news sources that compile news from all over the nation.

b) anecdotal evidence suggests more are unarmed than not


c) remember even if the victims were committing a crime, we have due process, summary executions is not justice even for criminals

white people, particularly middle aged but even some younger folks, are at a rabid boiling point of seething racist distrust of black and brown people. i would have said this is hyperbole even just a year or two ago, but the sad reality is its getting worse.

if white people are going to be so tone deaf and antagonistic, demonizing any efforts towards positive race relations and social justice as "libtards" and some kind of "conspiracy" well i sincerely fear there will be race riots like in 1968.

even more sad i dare say its what white people want so they can feel justified in their irrational fears and racial insecurities..

:( Lord Have His mercy