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The Soup Nazi 12.01.2017 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by The Soup Nazi
Just read there's a song called "Lock Him Up" on Neil Young's new album, The Visitor, which was released today. Brilliant timing!

WAIT - I misread the AllMusic review:

"The record opens up with a declaration that America is 'Already Great,'*and by the end, Young and Promise of the Real are chanting 'Lock Him Up' in an echo of the chant Michael Flynn led at the Republican National Convention in the summer of 2016".

So, fake news, I guess!
:D

tesla69 12.01.2017 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Robert Schunk
What constitutes a revolution is a question whose answer varies from time to time and from society to society, as revolution can involve casting aside the normal political process in favor of the machinery of war.

After reading your piece a few times, Robert, I can't help thinking the question should really be is if revolution can take place without war, specifically, without violent destructive war. Power does not usually give up its power, it needs to be taken. Governments fight each other through currency wars and propaganda wars

The Spectacle crows about cultural and technological "revolutions", and trivializes the real meaning with neverending revolutions in fashion and makeup!

Severian 12.01.2017 09:19 PM
Tax plan seems like it’s a-happenin’

I’m beyond furious. Been trying to stay sane which is why I’ve been avoiding this thread. But yeah... hostile corporate takeover of United States, now underway.

So long Medicare! Fare thee well, Medicaid! Buh-bye social security! Better luck next time, elderly people with cancer!

This was a hail Mary for a dying administration. Elections will simply be purchased outright from now on.

I’m gonna watch some fucking Seinfeld.

!@#$%! 12.01.2017 09:32 PM
jeezus fuck, thanks for ruining my evening.

i’ll worry about the rest of my life later

—

ps- it’s my fault for looking into this shit thread while drinking

!@#$%! 12.02.2017 09:36 AM
well, shit, i can deal with this much better in the morning

alea jacta est. or: into your hands i commit my spirit

ha!

fuck me.

anyway, for robert: poor robert! so innocent. you really believed the lies of your personal antichrist.

well, brace yourselves... here we go!

 


i pray for a quick death over a long agony

Severian 12.02.2017 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by !@#$%!
jeezus fuck, thanks for ruining my evening.

i’ll worry about the rest of my life later

—

ps- it’s my fault for looking into this shit thread while drinking

Well I wrote that post after taking my evening klonipin, so I’d argue those are the only conditions under which one should engage at this point.

(Klonipin also reason for now-corrected typos, I’d imagine)

Severian 12.02.2017 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Robert Schunk
This tax plan is the opposite of what this country needs right now. What is needed is massive public investment in infrastructure (both to create jobs and to repair the effects of neglect over past decades) financed by aggressively progressive income taxation, particularly on unearned income (interest, dividends, etc.). This marks the second great betrayal of Trump's voters this year, the first being his illegal attack on Syria.

This bill eliminates the estate tax, which primarily affects only the wealthiest (an exemption for family owned and operated farms and small businesses could easily have been arranged), and contains a backhanded (though not unconstitutional) slap at Federalism through the elimination of the state and local income tax deduction, which could limit the ability of the several states to raise their own tax revenue. It exacerbates wealth and income inequality in this country, which is our biggest problem right now.

If you want to know where this is headed, look up Governor Sam Brownback's Kansas. Save for the fact that Kansas' massive tax cuts also involved spending cuts, which this bill doesn't, adding about 1.5 trillion to the national debt.

Wow. I agree with you.

!@#$%! 12.02.2017 10:47 AM
anyway robert, as the contradictions of the system exacerbate (as the maoists would put it), you’ll have a better chance of your socialist revolution happening, and you’ll live happily ever after, under some tyrant, for decades to come. someone like... supreme leader ivanka, maybe? or little barron as pol-pot redux.

Bytor Peltor 12.02.2017 07:42 PM
The tax bill passed, but it’s not reform......it’s not a huge tax cut.

It’s altering the edges, a little smoke and mirrors. It will help some, possibly many......others will be hurt, but neither worthy of celebration nor weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Severian 12.02.2017 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Bytor Peltor
The tax bill passed, but it’s not reform......it’s not a huge tax cut.

It’s altering the edges, a little smoke and mirrors. It will help some, possibly many......others will be hurt, but neither worthy of celebration nor weeping and gnashing of teeth.

I disagree very strongly. This is a huge deal. This is a knife-twist. This is going to feed poverty (not people in poverty, but poverty itself), and widen the income gap. This is tailor-made to kept the rich rich and keep the poor poor.

$500 in tax cuts for someone making $35,000 a year isn’t going to mean shit when their health care is gone. This is a pestilential, malicious fucking corporate coup. Not business as usual.

Not that anything has been business as usual for some time now.

!@#$%! 12.02.2017 09:47 PM
it will temporarily juice the economy and win agent orange another term xD

then he’ll finally be impeached and pence wll take over for 8 years of taliban rule

looking for a place to flee to...

LifeDistortion 12.03.2017 02:28 AM
You take away the right to live a life simply because you don't have enough to pay a medical bill or even the ability to get a medical procedure this is just the kind of thing American citizens should be in an uproar about. No American in the modern age should die cause they couldn't afford a life saving medical procedure. Our four fathers revolted against the British for less. Sadly, the idea of a true second American revolution is probably unlikely, but again, we revolted for less.

!@#$%! 12.03.2017 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Robert Schunk
Yet another uncalled-for insinuation that I support totalitarianism. The first time was when I was defending the Constitution, which i do quite habitually.
im not imputing malice here—only infinite, heartbreaking naiveté.

The Soup Nazi 12.03.2017 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Severian
I disagree very strongly. This is a huge deal. This is a knife-twist. This is going to feed poverty (not people in poverty, but poverty itself), and widen the income gap. This is tailor-made to kept the rich rich and keep the poor poor.

$500 in tax cuts for someone making $35,000 a year isn’t going to mean shit when their health care is gone. This is a pestilential, malicious fucking corporate coup. Not business as usual.

Not that anything has been business as usual for some time now.

Indeed. From https://fareedzakaria.com/2017/12/01...er-than-we-do/ :

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Watching the Republican tax plan race through Congress, one is reminded of a big apparent difference between President Trump's program and other populist movements in the Western world. In the United States, Trump is leading something that is best described as plutocratic populism, a mixture of traditional populist causes with extreme libertarian ones.

Congress's own think tanks — the Joint Committee on Taxation and the Congressional Budget Office — calculate that in 10 years, people making between $50,000 and $75,000 (around the median income in the United States) would effectively pay a whopping $4 billion more in taxes, while people making $1 million or more would pay $5.8 billion less under the Senate bill. And that doesn't take into account the massive cuts in services, health care and other benefits that would likely result. Martin Wolf, the sober and fact-based chief economics commentator for the Financial Times, concludes, "This is a determined effort to shift resources from the bottom, middle and even upper middle of the U.S. income distribution toward the very top, combined with big increases in economic insecurity for the great majority."

The Soup Nazi 12.03.2017 08:54 PM
Jesus Christ Monkeyballs these guys are crooks. From Newsweek:

Jared Kushner Failed To Disclose He Led A Foundation Funding Illegal Israeli Settlements Before U.N. Vote

tesla69 12.04.2017 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Robert Schunk
I stand by my post, as this country still has a (barely) functioning political system, so any electoral revolution can be as peaceful or violent as those overthrown allow...SNIP .

I think my issue is language, in that I think how we would define a revolution differs.

I would argue our political system is working perfectly as it was designed - to implement the will of the people. But the Will of the People is blunted and crushed, you can pick and choose why, I'd say its the result of 50 years of CIA disinformation replacing the national consciousness (I don't think we can understate the importance of billions of dollars being spent over generations to implement the policy then-CIA DIrector William Casey told Ronald Reagan:
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false"

Severian 12.05.2017 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by The Soup Nazi

I know. It’s not paranoia anymore. They’re goddamn terrorists, the whole brood.

Sex scandals are being used to unseat Democrats, and but when the scandal revolves around a pedo like Roy Moore, it’s no big thang.

Shouldn’t it logically follow that Trump calls for his own resignation? I mean, all things being fair and equal (which of course they are not).

ilduclo 12.05.2017 06:42 PM
just hold on until 18, Damn, it is awful. One thing we're doing in casa duclo, besides staying involved in our usual leftie groups is we are stepping up the charity. So far, I've given to local med clinic to fix some homeless people's teeth, a local group that makes and hands out free veggie burritos to whoever needs one at the local homeless hangout areas, a PNW abortion funding group and a contribution thru an Indian tribe to a female college students education funds.

!@#$%! 12.05.2017 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Severian
I know. It’s not paranoia anymore. They’re goddamn terrorists, the whole brood.

Sex scandals are being used to unseat Democrats, and but when the scandal revolves around a pedo like Roy Moore, it’s no big thang.

Shouldn’t it logically follow that Trump calls for his own resignation? I mean, all things being fair and equal (which of course they are not).

the whiskey rebellion: cia false flag op

alexander hamilton, agent of the illuminati

!@#$%! 12.05.2017 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Severian
I know. It’s not paranoia anymore. They’re goddamn terrorists, the whole brood.

Sex scandals are being used to unseat Democrats, and but when the scandal revolves around a pedo like Roy Moore, it’s no big thang.

Shouldn’t it logically follow that Trump calls for his own resignation? I mean, all things being fair and equal (which of course they are not).

this is why republicans always win: they're more loyal to each other. authoritarians generally are.

liberals have no compunction about feeding their own to wu's pigs whenever they don't fit their utopian ideals. right now it's the holy inquisition: guilty until proven innocent!

stupid fuckers

that's my i'm a radical centrist: i see shit *everywhere*

JOHN OLIVER GROPED ME IN A MEN'S BATHROOM IN GRAND CENTRAL STATION


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