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Severian 04.17.2015 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by rebeccagotcursedout
your enthusiasm is contagious.

cant say I like Miley because I don't. I don't like her music. I just don't like it. can't get on the Ciccone Youth train that says its ok to like pop stars. ironic, hip or not.

The Flamings Lips are fine. I enjoy their music sometimes. I even dug the Sergeant Pepper cover album and Yoshimi is my favorite, but like Miley I feel like they're asking people to hate on them....don't like that either. it's controversy.

so why don't they just shut up, get out of my fucking face and do what they do best... make music.:p

I live in a post-Nirvana world and I still don't understand it.

Miley can smoke all the blunts, give little children molly, and shoot birds in my face like kurt cobain all she wants, but that doesn't change the fact that her music sucks!!!!! she wants me to fuck off?.....I will.

this cross-over indie EDM, Pop, hip hop still confuses me. what's your fucking point you assholes? to desensitize me to music that's already happening with advertising.

you can claim it's just music, but it's not. it's ART. don't want to hear it everywhere I go and on my phone and TV.

FUCK YOU!!!! you stealers of sonics, craft, and tones.:fuckyou:



Speaking of Flaming Lips...

They really should be working on something new (like, properly new) if their history is any indicator of their present recording practices.

Yet I've heard nothing about any new Lips releases for 2015. Yeah, on their last few studio LPs they've taken a good 3-4 years between albums, but usually even their off years are filled with miscellaneous releases.

I am starting to think they should wind things up soon. As much as I love them, they're starting to sound nothing at all like the band I fell in love with all those years ago. I'd rather they make maybe two more unmistakably Lips-like albums, then focus on their myriad pet projects. Seeing Wayne Coyne with Kesha and Miley Cyrus is starting to make me feel old and confused.

I think they should play on or co-produce some tracks for Kanye, like Justin Vernon does when he's not being awful all over.

noisereductions 04.17.2015 10:39 PM

Yeah how is it than Bon Iver is so boring? The shit he does w Kanye is phenomenal.

Severian 04.17.2015 10:42 PM

Oh, KMD - Black Bastards reissue is dropping for Record Store Day. That's a motherfuckin must have right there.


...

Oh yeah, and Sonic Youth is reissuing Bad Moon Rising, Evol, Screaming Fields of Sonic Love and Sister.... no idea if they're going to be deluxe 2-disc affairs like the interrupted reissues of the 00's, but I am still interested.

Though why Pitchfork gave Bad Moon Rising an 8.1 and didn't even name it a "best new reissue" is a mystery to me. Perhaps those fuckers are finally approaching a median age that makes early SY simply a thing beyond their understanding. What limited fanfare BMR received is probably perfunctory. They're probably just following a set of rules laid out by past staff writers, stating that "in the event of a Sonic Youth release, rate high and gush but don't try to understand the music itself. It's good, trust us. Now enjoy your ILoveMakonnen you little bitches"

noisereductions 04.17.2015 11:08 PM

Yeah im aiming to get that kmd tomorrow.

The sy reissues are barebones far as i know.

louder 04.18.2015 01:12 AM

Kesha is talented, she just chooses to limit herself to shallow party music.

louder 04.18.2015 04:55 AM

i've come to a conclusion that Cherry Bomb's 1st half is pretty awful, except "Find Your Wings" and "Blow My Load". the 2nd half is on point though. "Smuckers" is still the best song for me there.

louder 04.18.2015 05:04 AM

now this is gonna be interesting, Wayne Coyne and fucking BIG BOI..

 

louder 04.18.2015 05:15 AM

feeling Earl's album more and more with every listen.

when i blasted it through my speakers, it sounded pretty boring. but now i just finished listening to it on my headphones and liked every song!

this is my top 5 so far:

1. Kendrick Lamar - To Pimp a Butterfly
2. Earl Sweatshirt - I Don't Like Shit, I Don't Go Outside
3. Curren$y - Pilot Talk III
4. Drake - If You're Reading This It's Too Late
5. Joey Badass - B4.DA.A$$ / Lupe Fiasco - Tetsuo & Youth.. i guess

louder 04.18.2015 05:33 AM

but man. it's really a tough call between Kendrick and Earl, i still need to think about it.

and yeah i'm definitely gonna cop it next week.

noisereductions 04.18.2015 08:41 AM

the Earl is dope.

Severian 04.18.2015 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by louder
but man. it's really a tough call between Kendrick and Earl, i still need to think about it.

and yeah i'm definitely gonna cop it next week.


You're singing a different tune, it seems.

Glad you like Pilot Talk. But you sound totally underwhelmed about Joey and Lupe. ?

louder 04.18.2015 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Severian
You're singing a different tune, it seems.

Glad you like Pilot Talk. But you sound totally underwhelmed about Joey and Lupe. ?

i like them, just can't play them that often. when i do i hear good music. just not really my cup of tea i guess. :confused:

louder 04.18.2015 01:50 PM

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In an interview with Four Pins, the “Know Yourself” rapper revealed that while he makes slow progress on Views From the 6, the proper follow-up to 2013’s Nothing Was the Same, he already has two tracks lined up for the LP, one of those featuring Beyoncé.

The fourth album is said to find the Canadian superstar set on deliver a “shock” for listeners, sort of like how Kanye did on 808’s & Heartbreak. As the writer brings up that said album in their conversation, he writes, “Drake agrees and, as if to reinforce that notion, he tells me that Boi-1da said he needs to listen to the non-Beyoncé song a few more times before he can decide whether it’s good or not. It appears that Drake is ready to deviate from his winning formula and get a little weird.”
source

Drake is finally taking his time with his album AND trying something different? seems like my prayers have finally been heard.

Severian 04.18.2015 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by louder
i've come to a conclusion that Cherry Bomb's 1st half is pretty awful, except "Find Your Wings" and "Blow My Load". the 2nd half is on point though. "Smuckers" is still the best song for me there.


Hell yeah. But hey- it's Kanye. When does a Kanye guest spot not turn out to be the best track on an album? Ask Rick Ross or Game ... Hell, I only gave Jesus Piece a chance because of how electric Ye's 5 word chorus was.

But I don't think the first half is trash. I think it's refreshing. Tyler's music has been so slow and dirgy and downright fucking plodding and exhausting to listen to. Wolf was infuriatingly simplistic... There was no point in wasting time on such a empty hull of a rap record-- a redundant amusical "fuck"-fest-- in a year defined by convention breaking hip hop masterpieces, and reinventions of classic genre archetypes.

Cherry Bomb has this incendiary horror disco, death synth sound to it that is actually fun to listen to! For so long I've been worried that OF (particularly Tyler and Earl) would get stuck in the creative quicksand of shock-rap, only to become novelty acts or unkillable cult stars like Insane Clown Posse and Eminem. But Cherry Bomb actually feels like progress. A step away from the thoroughly beaten to death sound of early OF.

I'm still waiting for I Don't Like Shit... to "pop" for me. I'm waiting for a time when listening to someone ejacu-hate assaultive, bleak spitballs over sparse, claustrophobic beats actually sounds like a good idea!

But maybe it will and I'll do an about face of my own. Never know.

Severian 04.18.2015 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by louder
i like them, just can't play them that often. when i do i hear good music. just not really my cup of tea i guess. :confused:



Well... shit. I think both albums are incredible. They may be suffering a bit because of the overwhelming effect of recency > primacy in hip hop, which makes it hard for any album that isn't brand new or *not yet released* to hold the attention of listeners... But I still think Tetsuo & Youth was a triumph. Aside from some typical Lupe lyrical foibles, it is a really well thought out and well executed experiment.

And Joey's version of East Coast '90stalgia is definitely a win. I haven't listened to it as much as I thought I was going to, but every time I do I'm quite surprised at how well it all comes together. I do skip some tracks, though.

I think my list for 2015 is more or less the same, only with a few additions:

1. To Pimp A Butterfly
2. Tetsuo & Youth
3. Mr. Wonderful
4. Pilot Talk III
5. If You're Reading This It's Too Late
6. B4.DA.SS
7. Sour Soul
8. Cherry Bomb
... Meh...

rebeccagotcursedout 04.18.2015 02:35 PM

lol...obviously I missed my AA meeting. like a drunk screaming in the streets. l'm cabin fever lucid and it's been raining all week.

it's nice to know im the only one who's crazy here.

louder 04.18.2015 02:36 PM

yeah, that Kanye verse is nothing but glorious. his delivery is tight, and there are so many quotables.

louder 04.18.2015 02:38 PM

Why, oh why, why?
Why don't they like me?
Cause Nike gave lot of niggas checks
But I'm the only nigga to ever check Nike

Richer than white people with black kids
Scarier than black people with ideas
Nobody can tell me where I'm headin'
But I feel like Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen at my wedding
They say I'm crazy but that's the best thing going for me
You can't lynch Marshawn, if Tom Brady throwin' to me
I made a million mistakes, but I'm successful in spite of 'em
I believe you like a fat trainer takin' a bite or somethin'
I wanna turn the tanks to playgrounds
I dream't of 2Pac, he asked me "are you still down?"
"Yeah my nigga", it's on, it's on, it's on, it's on
I know they told their white daughters don't bring home Jerome
I am the free nigga archetype
I am the light and the beacon, you can ask the deacon
It's funny when you get extra money
Every joke you tell just be extra funny
I mean you can even dress extra bummy
Cocaine, bathroom break, nose extra runny
And I gave you all I got, you still want extra from me
Oxford want a full blown lecture from me
And the Lexus pull up, err like hop, I hopped out, like wassup
Err-err-err, step back, hold up, my nigga you suck, hold up
I studied the proportions
Emotions runnin' at an Autobahn speed level
Had a drink with fear, and I was textin' God
He said "I gave you a big dick, so go extra hard"

Severian 04.18.2015 05:10 PM

Goddamn, Kanye. God fuckin' damn.

rebeccagotcursedout 04.18.2015 06:09 PM

kanye slurp fest alert:)


again.

rebeccagotcursedout 04.18.2015 06:09 PM

Im stealing it Suchfriends.

Ye has rhymed again. Ye has spoken. Ye has shown light. Ye shall create a new universe with next release.

Ye shall. blow. your. forkin. miiiiiinnnnndddddd!!!!!!

rebeccagotcursedout 04.18.2015 06:23 PM

the holy trinity!!!!!

God: ye
Son: fans
Holy Spirit: Bruce Jenner's plastic va j j

rebeccagotcursedout 04.18.2015 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Severian
I think they should play on or co-produce some tracks for Kanye, .


I think not.

Severian 04.18.2015 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by rebeccagotcursedout
kanye slurp fest alert:)


again.


Gurgle gurgle motherf****r.

Christ though, you realize we are all here because we just can't make it through the drudgery of life without semi-regular "slurpfests" for Sonic Youth.

It's weird to say this, since most of my life has been spent salivating over post-punk, noise, math-rock and hardcore bands, not to mention the mellowed out golden age indie groups that grew out of a cross pollination of all these brutal genres with pop and folk... But in a world without Sonic Youth, Kanye West has become the undisputed king of my musical world, forcing even such long time runners up as Spiritualized, Flaming Lips, Aphex Twin and countless others to bend over (or... Maybe just kneel) before him.

So, y'know ... Sorry... or something. But that's just the way it is. To begrudge me my slurpfests would be to discredit the purpose of SYG, and all the important work we've done here ;)

rebeccagotcursedout 04.18.2015 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Severian
So, y'know ... Sorry... or something. But that's just the way it is. To begrudge me my slurpfests would be to discredit the purpose of SYG, and all the important work we've done here ;)


don't worry, I've accepted it. but for all the slurpin and circle jerkin going around you need someone to keep the balance and tease;) . besides weak disagreements about the Pixies or some such nobody is adding anything worthwhile of the opposite persuasion. it's like "should I like this, should I not"??

it's arbitrary. slurp on slurpin on, but please stop with the gurgling. it's annoying.;)

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 04.19.2015 12:31 AM

Backs away cautiously

louder 04.19.2015 02:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rebeccagotcursedout
Im stealing it Suchfriends.

Ye has rhymed again. Ye has spoken. Ye has shown light. Ye shall create a new universe with next release.

Ye shall. blow. your. forkin. miiiiiinnnnndddddd!!!!!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by rebeccagotcursedout
the holy trinity!!!!!

God: ye
Son: fans
Holy Spirit: Bruce Jenner's plastic va j j

LOL

louder 04.21.2015 01:56 AM

omg i can't believe i still haven't heard the new Father tape.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Cnuc3kgl-oM

this is great.

got some positive reviews too. i need to stop sleeping.

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 04.21.2015 10:51 AM

http://grantland.com/features/earl-sweatshirt-tour/

louder 04.22.2015 02:56 AM

Wayne Cypher 2015: https://youtube.com/watch?v=esAjg2-2D4Q

amazing stuff. at first he was just playing, but then he started really going in and absolutely murked this shit.

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 04.22.2015 07:24 PM

 

noisereductions 04.22.2015 08:50 PM

Hiroglyphics is gonna twist ya cerebelum

louder 04.23.2015 09:09 AM

new A$AP Rocky album in like three weeks.

this is all the info i have:

- features Mos Def, FKA twigs and Lykke Li.
- exec prod by Yams (RIP), Juicy J and DANGER MOUSE.
- said it's gonna be "psychedelic".

potential album of the year on the way? :)

louder 04.23.2015 09:53 AM

man Tyler needs to get into trip-hop. imagine him making DJ Shadow/Portishead influenced stuff.

noisereductions 04.23.2015 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by louder
new A$AP Rocky album in like three weeks.

this is all the info i have:

- features Mos Def, FKA twigs and Lykke Li.
- exec prod by Yams (RIP), Juicy J and DANGER MOUSE.
- said it's gonna be "psychedelic".

potential album of the year on the way? :)



if "Multiply," "M'$" and "LPFJ2" are any indication - yeah strong contender for AOTY.

Severian 04.23.2015 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by noisereductions
if "Multiply," "M'$" and "LPFJ2" are any indication - yeah strong contender for AOTY.



Yeah, cuz A$AP Rocky (awesome as he is) has any chance in hell of topping Kanye and Kendrick.

Well... I suppose he has a shot, assuming he hasn't hit his peak, and keeping an open mind, of making a stronger and more enjoyable album than Kendrick, but the day he tops Ye will be the day MTV plays videos.

noisereductions 04.23.2015 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Severian
Yeah, cuz A$AP Rocky (awesome as he is) has any chance in hell of topping Kanye and Kendrick.

Well... I suppose he has a shot, assuming he hasn't hit his peak, and keeping an open mind, of making a stronger and more enjoyable album than Kendrick, but the day he tops Ye will be the day MTV plays videos.


well personally, Live.Love was my 2013 album of the year, edging out Yeezus based on the fact that I just listened to A$AP way more.

I can def see the new A$AP being better than Kendrick's album this year for me. Like I've said, I like the Kendrick. Respect it. But musically it's not doing a whole lot for me. Those 3 Rocky singles have been way more what I need.

Severian 04.24.2015 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by noisereductions
well personally, Live.Love was my 2013 album of the year, edging out Yeezus based on the fact that I just listened to A$AP way more.

I can def see the new A$AP being better than Kendrick's album this year for me. Like I've said, I like the Kendrick. Respect it. But musically it's not doing a whole lot for me. Those 3 Rocky singles have been way more what I need.


Hmm. I can see where you're coming from. To Pimp A Butterfly is a bit like a James Joyce novel. It's obviously brilliant... it's also a massive undertaking. I had a similar problem with FlyLo's You're Dead! I knew it was good... great, even... intellectually. But for some reason when I put it on, I rarely lasted more than 3 songs after the binge that took place during the first week.

It wasn't very fun. In fact it started to irritate me after a while. I'm used to experimental music, I'm used to sonic chaos, but there was something presumptuous about it. I couldn't just press play and let the mood carry me. It was a stressful listen. Being an Aphex Twin fan, music that evokes panic and claustrophobia is nothing new either, but maybe that was the problem. Syro and You're Dead! dropped within weeks of one another, and (big shocker) RDJ stole the show.

Maybe this is kinda how you feel about TPAB. Maybe not. Either way, A$AP and Kendrick are both totally secondary to what Kanye's dropped so far.

Man, I'm feeling agitated just talking about You're Dead! The fact that I know it's good is no consolation. Maybe I just need to make sure I take a Xanax when I listen to it.

Severian 04.24.2015 12:53 PM

By the way, did anyone catch Pitchfork's moronic review of Barter 6? I can't believe how trend happy those fucks are. That record is the epitome of boring, tired ass shit. It's why Cash Money has become an enemy of quality hip hop. Best new music. Jesus fucking Christ!

noisereductions 04.24.2015 01:25 PM

your James Joyce thing is perfect. I felt the same way about the FlyLo album. I was impressed. I knew it was good. I just never felt like listening to it. And yeah, I'm getting a similar hang-up w/ TPAB man. I thought it was great on first listen. More impressed on subsequents... but I have so little desire to put it on.

I did read the Pfork review. Honestly, I'm still gonna give the album a spin. I respect you and louder's opinions immensely... but I need to hear it for myself and see what I think. I'll let y'all know.

At any rate - there's no Ye vs Rocky competition or anything in my mind. If 2015 is like 2013 the top 2 spots in my list will end up occupied by those two artists, and the #1 will simply be determined by which one I spent the most hours listening to.


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