the one i disliked almost as much as beto was the ohio “working class” guy.

sure his message was valid and important, but his body language screamed “repressed rage” ha ha ha. i dont even know his name, but he was wound tight as fuck. sure voted most likely to go postal in high school.

Tim Ryan? I had to watch a clip to remind myself who he was but yeah. Wasn't sure if it was repressed rage but he definitely looked uncomfortable as fuck. which made me feel uncomfortable watching him, to the point of almost feeling sorry for him. He was who Gabbard seemed to score most points off.

... but I don't see any of them as potential nominees. The pundits I'm reading over here seem to think it'll come down to Biden v Sanders.

yeah that one. prolly nursing a hemorrhoid or something.

biden v sanders is the clear contest, the debates are really a race for vp, at least right now

e.g. sanders-warren might be a “natural” pairing, they’re compatible

biden otoh might wanna get someone to complement his “old white maleness,” like, say— harris.

beto can be court jester :D

and yeah im hotlinking from breitbart :fuckyou: :D

I mean, if the US win at least she will. Still, go Netherlands!

I saw Tulsi Gabbard talk at a rally a couple of years ago and I thought she was impressive. I would be happy to see her as VP. Or Warren.

What I really want though is for AOC to by be installed as dictator for life ✊

T&B has the right idea.

Wouldn't mind a Bernie-Warren or Bernie-Tulsi ticket. Sounds quite good. I'd prefer Tulsi because she's stronger on foreign policy than Bernie so he would need someone who knows more in that area.

A Bernie-Warren ticket just doubles up on the same base. Tulsi would extend it into areas that I think neither Bernie or Warren could reach, either apart or together.

Yeah i think Bernie Tulsi is better, and then Warren should run in 2024 (Bernie does 4 years then retires). AOC will then take over from Warren and be declared dictator for life and then clone herself for eternity.

Elon Musk needs to get a move on with his SpaceX programme, cos I wanna be as far away from the action as possible if AOC gets anywhere near the White House.

What's your beef with Cortez?

I'm not evading the question, I just really don't know where to start. I honestly wonder if I've ever seen a more ill-informed politician in my life. Maybe Sarah Palin ... maybe. Every time AOC opens her mouth about anything I just get the impression she really really doesn't have the 1st clue what she's talking about.

...and yet she's already setting herself up for her eventual presidency. She's charismatic, knows her way around the media, and has a stack of fans (some of whom are on board with her politics, some of whom are just thirsty [yes, this is a subpost]).

Seriously? Have we been watching the same person speak? To me, AOC seemed pretty damn well-informed so far. She's invigorating, charismatic and quite obviously a fighter. She's already proved that when she beat Crowley. And given the sometimes petty and unsubstantiatedly hostile coverage she gets, she's had some awesome comebacks and sick burns. AOC has a bright future ahead of her. I don't know if this will ever lead to the presidency(preconceived notions and unfavorable characterization tend to stick sometimes, unfortunately), one can dream though. Either way, she's gotten far already and will get even further in her career.

lol i guess you’ve never heard of one donald j. trump

george conway can see it
https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile...using-mishaps/

how come you can’t?

apparently “busing” has stumped him too
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump...b082e5536a499d

here’s an assortment of further demonstrations

on our security treaty with japan. clueless:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/28/o...ump-japan.html

on “the weather”, from a recent visit to your land
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...312_story.html

on science (climate, vaccines, ebola, etc)
https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...ngly-ignorant/

his science policy
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-01961-6

i mean...

when he says that china or mexico pays/will pay tariffs (that seems to have calmed down but i’m waiting for his next tweet to destrablize things).... is that pig ignorance? or shameless lie?

I'm never gonna say Trump doesn't have a limited grasp of world politics but I wouldn't even put him in the same league as AOC

because...?

(and it’s not just “world politics”)

Definitely not.

She's streets ahead of Mad Donald ;)

If it's not just politics then what is it?

he’s ignorant of history, economics, every other science, and all manner of basic facts

He was still smart enough to remain a player in the highly competitive world of real estate for a few decades and come out of it a multi-billionaire. Then he faced down hostility within his own party, the full force of the Dems and widespread media ridicule to become President. No one's ever gonna claim he's the cleverest man ever to enter politics but I certainly wish I was as stupid as that.

he inherited his little empire, and then learned some dirty tricks in the 70s and 80s from roy cohn. he went bust repeatedly, even after his dad bailed him out—repeatedly.

he survived only because his creditors thought he was worth more as a name and brand than by partitioning his assets.

so his business really is self-promotion, and makes money off his image through licensing deals.


we don’t know what he has/doesn’t have, what he owes/what he owns, as he hides his tax returns.

but someone made the calculation that if he had just put his inheritance in the stock market he would have made more that what he claims to have.

or should i say it in his style: “many people are saying he doesn’t have what he claims to have...”


he’s a shameless charlatan who conned millions

that’s what you admire?

eta: “business”
https://www.newsweek.com/2016/08/12/...16-486091.html

There's a difference between admiring the business world and acknowledging that people who succeed within it aren't fools.

To achieve what he has obviously requires more than inherting wealth, but from everything I've understood about his business history it would be difficult to say he had succeeded in it. Did you see the three part documentary series Channel 4 made about him?

there’s a huge difference between legitimate business competence and cheapjack mafioso abilities, and i’m sorry you can’t see the difference.

business overall does make our world better, but it is fuckers like him that give business a bad name.

i remember you in another thread complaining of your former employer being stiffed by “corporate practices” (which i said are bad business, but not inherently “corporate”).

this motherfucker you’re making excuses for has fucked over more small contractors and workers and creditors than one can shake a stick at.

i don’t know why you’re looking at the mote in every democrat’s eye while ignoring the beam in this fucker’s, but that’s exactly what you’re doing, and i can’t figure out why.

I've not seen that documentary but I know there's plenty of ?? around his business dealings and the actual level and nature of his success. But all I've been saying from the beginning is he's no fool. That's it. I wasn't saying the guy's some kind of genius and wasn't even thinking about his character.

Bottom line, if I had to choose between having Trump in the White House or AOC (which I know is an impossibility on all kinds of levels, but in principle) I'd go for Trump, simply because I believe AOC has the potential to cause even more damage. You can disagree, but either way, I don't see how that can be read as me defending or making excuses for Trump. It only shows how poorly I rate AOC.

if trump’s election has proved anything is that any asshole can be president

so how do you rate him vs

warren

bernie

kamala

biden

booty judge?

i mean in terms of personal preference not chance of winning

Bernie's the only one I'd take over Trump

bernie and warren are basically the same, so what’s your issue with her?

She seems flakey as fuck

so trump lies all day every day, cheats contractors and creditors, changes like the wind on every issue, tweets inanities, cozies up to murderers and dictators: QUALIFIED

warren, a distinguished senator with a good record, architect of the CFPB... ... ... “seems” flakey as fuck... ... ...UNACCEPTABLE!

seems legit...

Is !@#$%! a clairvoyant?

Did he know this is who would win the Democratic debates while flying to the other side of the world?

Geez......what a shit show that was!

The guy in the picture above, our President......he would totally shred anyone of those Dems in a debate!

You would think that one of the Dems would have enough commonsense to realize: welfare state + open borders = COMPLETE FAILURE

But they all stood there with their hands raised, promising to raise the taxes of the middle class just so they can give stuff away for free to illegals. Bernie and a few others want to do away with my Employer provided healthcare......what focus group is telling anyone this is how to win an election?

 

FACT

Every year Americans pay $18.5 BILLION to subsidize healthcare for just 3.9 million illegal aliens.

EVERY 2020 Democratic Candidate WANTS YOU to pay for healthcare for ALL ILLEGAL ALIENS.

For 11 to 22 MILLION ILLEGAL ALIENS the price tag = TRILLIONS = INSANITY!!!

There is no way for tax paying working people to EVER cover that!!!

oh hey there’s that fake christian lmao

just take premiums off their payroll like social security does

eta: current cost to taxpayer is about $34 per person a year. less than a bag of potato chips each month. charging premiums instead would beef up the system

aoc >>> ivanka lolololo

https://twitter.com/aoc/status/1145164720242118656?s=21

she’s not blackmailing her college to hide her grades xD

https://www.forbes.com/sites/christo...or-sat-scores/

I take it back. I watched him in the debate again and I don't think I could vote for him either. So from what I see I don't think there's any Dem candidate I could vote for at the moment.

bernie wants people marching in the streets.

warren is a better senator with a better record, but i don’t like her rhetoric.

still, i’d take anyone on that stage over the current beast in charge

his election proves that our institutions can more or less endure a malignant narcissist. but enough with the stress tests

time for him to go. nobody can be worse. even the kooky hippy lady would be an improvement.