So you'd vote for Trump if you had the option?

Didn't Bernie just do what he usually does in that debate? What could have changed your mind at this point?

I didn't know that much about him before other than that he was the most conventionally 'leftist' candidate there but even he seems to have jumped in with the 'progressives', who I think represent a greater potential for catastrophe than Trump does. So in answer to H8kurdt, yes I probably would.

and thank fuck for the relief that is humor



but enough of this assclown

time to vote him out

i’ll take uncle joe, bernie, kamala, tulsi, the love lady... anyone really

I respect that. Forgetting about who you hope will get the nomination, or who you think is most likely to, which of the candidates do you think best represents the general ideology of the party right now?

Ikaka at the g20. Pretty funny. I'm not a fan of May or Legarde, but that was deserved. Daddy's little princess, indeedy

general ideology? joe biden

there’s a progressive wave no doubt, and it’s the loudest and most fervent, but it’s not all of the party, and it’s not how the midterms were won.

and who was the other guy who said his electrician dad loved his union healthcare? he may not be famous but 150 million people have employee provided healthcare and might not be willing to part with it in spite of all the arguments.

as much as private insurance is marred by high deductibles and copays and even higher maximum out of pockets, pushing for mandatory single payer would be suicide.

please note, such a proposal could never pass through congress, so making it is really a moot point. this is why bernie wants people marching in the streets.

on the other hand, i think everyone could agree on a voluntary public option.

kamala harris too is offering medicare for all but i think she’s smart enough to not die on any random hill. you may call that opportunistic, i call it pragmatic.

eg see the murdoch post https://nypost.com/2019/02/01/what-k...icare-for-all/

(this is not my favorite paper by any means, i read it for educational purposes only, so there you go)

I get that he may best represent it in terms of how it was defined during the Obama era, and perhaps even before that, but looked at in relation to the other candidates, would you not say he appears almost like an outsider now?

nah

did you see how much applause he’d get when he invoked obama, and talked about obamacare?

plus he’s a decent guy who would restore our diplomacy

progressives are just louder, and these are the primaries where people pander to the base

but not all the base is progressive. besides... obama was also “progressive” in his day

oh, klobuchar is also in the mainstream. she’s not polling very high but she’s there. see her on the issues

https://amyklobuchar.com/issues/health-care/

anyway i’ll post data over in the democratic debate thread.

President Bill Clinton (1995)

"All Americans—not only in the states most heavily effected but in every place in this country—are rightly disturbed by the large numbers of illegal aliens entering our country. The jobs they hold might otherwise be held by citizens or legal immigrants."


Senator Hussein Obama (1995)
“We all agree on the need to better secure the borders and to punish employers that choose to hire illegal immigrants,”

Why were the Democrats so supportive of the middle class and wanted to keep illegals aliens out of America? Why was it ok then and not today??

TRUMP WON!!!

TRUMP WON because the middle class supported him!

Knowing this, the Democrats have turned all their hatred towards the middle class. The Dems want to usher in as many illegals as possible so they can vote to receive free stuff and cancel out the vote of the middle class.

How Anti-American is that......yet so many here are supportive of this???

I think this guy gets it...

Isn't that what we've been talking about the last few pages? Everyone here has pointed that out after the Dems debate. Bytor certainly isn't saying anything new with that comment.

She didn't make your list but I've been looking more at Tulsi Gabbard and the more I read about her and see her in interviews, the more impressive she seems. I've also seen quite a few comments on Twitter along the lines of, if there's one candidate who could tempt me away from Trump, it's Tulsi.

I mean, sort of? Kinda, but not really? In about 5-6 pages I see maybe 4-5 references at most to the middle class and what truly needs to be done to bring them over?


Sorry, but in a 360+ page thread where 8 out of every 10 posts is "I hate Trump because..." I have to chuckle at this just a bit. :)

But either way. With that said, I will return to my lurker status of this thread. I just really hope the Dems don't go and fuck this up again...

she wasn’t there cuz there were too many one percenters to list and she hasn’t had a breakthrough

but i’ll check her out... thanks for the heads up

ok, so tulsi wants to combat islamophobia

https://www.tulsigabbard.org/tulsi-g...g-islamophobia

i dont see bytor biting lmao. american taliban

and she’s of the hindu religion... the white sepulchers will stone her

she’s for single payer also

https://www.tulsigabbard.org/tulsi-g...n-medicare-all

and having been cured of homophobia she’s now a strong supporter of lgbtq+ rights

i mean she’s even had bernie’s endorsement

https://www.tulsigabbard.org/about

are you putting me on? i think you’re putting me on...

I've no idea where Bytor stands. I'm talking about Twitter posts or even things as potentially inconsequential as Youtube comments, although I see Fox News also have an article considering her a real problem for Trump if she gets the nomination - however unlikely her getting that nomination appears.
This is 6 months old but I also saw this

https://www.thedailybeast.com/why-co...-for-president

i think you’re just looking at a case of “the enemy of my enemy is my friend”

Doesn't everyone in America regard themself as middle class?

in america, even the slave owners are middle class

“Record number... Most raindrops ever... Some say the wettest parade ever recorded in US history”

"ranned the ramparts, took over the airports, Fort McHendry!"

Yeah I was confused in the debate when everyone kept saying "we need to boost the middle class" and I was like wtf haven't the middle class been boosted ENOUGH? I took it just to mean anyone who lives in a remotely suburb area but who the hell knows

by working class they just mean everyone with a steady job/not financially independent.

classism exists everywhere, and those at the bottom want to move up, so the working class stopped considering itself “working class” long ago. maybe with the decline of unions/after the 70s/during reagan, when it became okay to make fun of janitors and fast food workers, the working class decided to join the middle, at least in name.

so the secretary became the administrative assistant and the garbage collector became a sanitation engineer or whatever, the soda jerk became a barista, the bartender a mixologist, etc. and everyone spends aspirationally, i.e., they use money they don’t have, to buy things they don’t need, to impress people they don’t like.

and yeah a corporate lawyer making half a million bucks a year is also “middle class” lololol. just “upper” middle class.

trumpistas reject the little mermaid

https://thegrapevine.theroot.com/not...ast-1836128376

lmao these people have to be trumpistas because who the fuck else would care

DOJ Lawyer Says Words Taken Out Of Context… In Hour-Long Videotaped Hearing We All Watched
The lawyer is asking for forgiveness and doesn't deserve any.

https://abovethelaw.com/2019/06/doj-...e-all-watched/

guess who’s not going to the fucking white house!




“not many, if any” ;)

Oh, darn.

douchetractor tractors on

With every post, !@#$%! is sounding more and more like the one he hates the most!

douchecanoe paddles & paddles

Ha, no fucking census question. Dickwads

stocks keep rising as the deficit balloons from tax cuts for the rich.

behold the welfare queen

The question appeared on EVERY census until 1950. After that, the question appeared on ever second or third census. It was the Hussein Obama Administration who permanently removed the citizenship question from the census......just another stain on Hussein’s time in office.

How many toilets flush?
Do you enter your home through a front door or someone else’s living quarters?
What’s your net worth?
How many television sets do you have?

The above questions have been deemed appropriate over the years, but not: are you a citizen???