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Originally Posted by !@#$%!

pardon me, mademoiselle, and your dream sounds lovely, but may i interject to say that my dear wife would say that you're perpetuating stereotypes by romanticizing the indian? he would be amazingly kind without even a hint of evil in him, as if he never even learnt what evil is sounds awfully pretty, but it's straight out of rousseau's conceptions of the "noble savage", and beyond that...

How do you know that part has anything to do with her ideal partner being Native American?

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Originally Posted by screamingskull

and its wrong to want that? what's wrong with romanticizing the american indian stereotype?

the actual indians don't like it. i'm married to one, i should know a bit about it.

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Originally Posted by luxinterior

Anyway, I want my indian husband to be a raging alcoholic.

oh! i could introduce you to more than a few ones...

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Originally Posted by jon boy

no real life. well they are practically the same things.

In that case,stalkerish,saccharine,submissive types need no apply.In fact people like that scare me off more than anyone.Ideally someone who's got another goal in life rather than just being in a relationship with someone else.

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!

oh! i could introduce you to more than a few ones...

Oh boy!

yeah i dont like it when thats all people want is to be with someone, even though many people would like to be like that.

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Originally Posted by jon boy

yeah i dont like it when thats all people want is to be with someone, even though many people would like to be like that.

The 'Can i be with you 24 hours a day?' type really frightens me.It's hard enough to think about if i had to spend 24 hours with my own self that i generally don't think another ' intensily amorous' person would make things any better for themselves or myself.

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tell that to john and yoko.

yes its better to have space from eachother even when starting a relationship. makes you want to be with the other person more and time to think/appreciate them. also to live your own life without being smothered.

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Originally Posted by screamingskull

how is it degrading?

i think she was joking a bit (poking fun at me, w/ the contrast of alkie stereotypes). or not.

but see when you stereotype people you dehumanize them. you think there's any human being on the planet that "doesn't know evil"? that would be more of a pet. uncle tom!

anyway, hm if you can read online check this out it might interest you

http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=C_fb9G-L4qYC&oi=fnd&pg=RA2-PA1&sig=Snz67ATwl8Mwq8QNgoKTOBgXQfw&dq=%22Kilpatri ck%22+%22Celluloid+Indians:+Native+Americans+and+F ilm%22+#PPP1,M1

also:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noble_savage

where you'll find this:

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In the 20th century, the concept of the noble savage came to be seen as unrealistic and condescending. Insofar as it was based on certain stereotypes, it came to be considered a form of patronizing racism, even when it replaced the previous stereotype of the bloodthirsty savage. It has been criticized by many, for example Roger Sandall, in academic, anthropological, sociological and religious fields. For instance, some Christians, especially those who believe in the doctrine of original sin, consider mankind to be universally degenerate and sinful at heart, regardless of whatever people group or civilization they are associated with. (See a critique of the Huaorani people of Ecuador in the documentary Beyond the Gates of Splendor and the associated film End of the Spear.)

oh god i regret ever saying it. wait while i delete all my posts.

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Originally Posted by Nefeli

i m in that state also.
but you can make that mistake when young and first starting a relationship and are in love. but that is a HUGE mistake.

I have been in enough relationships(not that many but still...) to turn me into an ultra realistic person when it comes to them.I don't like the words 'cynicism' or 'bitterness' as i'm neither but certainly you become more coldly clinical about them after you made those mistakes.

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Originally Posted by jon boy

They never looked like a happy couple though,did they?I mean,i think it must have been really hard for Yoko Ono and all that.

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Originally Posted by screamingskull

oh god i regret ever saying it. wait while i delete all my posts.

na, it's silly, dont guilt trip. you learn something everyday thats all. i personally think you're très cool.

btw my wife is navajo she makes fun of how every time an indian appears on tv you hear this eagle sound, and he's all "spiritual", ha ha ha.

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Originally Posted by Nefeli

even if both want to be 24/24 together, eventually it might create problems.

can we say it will create problems?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codependence

depending on another too much is always going to be dangerous and i suppose shows something wrong with yourself.

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Originally Posted by jon boy

depending on another too much is always going to be dangerous and i suppose shows something wrong with yourself.

Very true.Unbalanced relationships are not genuine to start with.