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demonrail666 09.24.2015 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!

i'm not saying the guy wasn't a jerk. i'm pretty sure he was. but likely he was no more a jerk than you or me, it's just that we don't have the power to bend other people to our wills and amass millions.


Speak for yourself

!@#$%! 09.24.2015 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by demonrail666
Speak for yourself

Come on! You dont know what kind of person youd become if you had a lot of power. You know the old saying, "power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely." What makes you think you'd be impervious to corrupting forces? I'm not impervious--- and that's the truth. But okay, for the sake of society I accept the lie that you'd be the sweetest most benevolent purehearted and just and wise tyrant. I dont believe it, but i accept it.

!@#$%! 09.24.2015 08:42 PM

Ps did you ever read about ghandi's weird sex habits? Fucking weeeeeeeeird!!

demonrail666 09.25.2015 03:27 AM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!
Come on! You dont know what kind of person youd become if you had a lot of power. You know the old saying, "power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely." What makes you think you'd be impervious to corrupting forces? I'm not impervious--- and that's the truth. But okay, for the sake of society I accept the lie that you'd be the sweetest most benevolent purehearted and just and wise tyrant. I dont believe it, but i accept it.


Why does the option have to be between 100% purehearted and Walt Disney? Why assume that if we're not capable of becoming the best we can be, we default into becoming the worst we can be?

Mortte Jousimo 09.25.2015 06:18 AM

I have long thought, that there are quite many artists that are assholes. Still I love some of theirs art.

Mortte Jousimo 09.25.2015 06:22 AM

Maybe I am just so naive, but I think there is a message in Lion King. Anyway it has been very important film to my son.

!@#$%! 09.25.2015 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by demonrail666
Why does the option have to be between 100% purehearted and Walt Disney? Why assume that if we're not capable of becoming the best we can be, we default into becoming the worst we can be?


was he some sort of serial killer or something? i really don't know. i imagine he had to be a piece of work to build such an empire, but still, what kind of criminal are we talking about?

anyway, becoming "the best we can be" does not usually come with power and fortune-- traditionally at least, it's renouncing the world and the self that "purifies" the spirit. big egos can do big things, but also have big issues. christians will see those issues as a highway to hell, nietzscheans will see them as the price of greatness. me, i'm a bit agnostic and full of questions.

but think about it. if you get 100 million dollars today, your porn collection might suddenly start to include real people, and nobody is going to be able to stop that. all it takes is an itch that you can scratch, plus a boundless supplier of scratches, and two years from now you might be an unrecognizable degenerate.

everyone has their dark tendencies. they just need an enabler. no bigger enabler than power, with money a close second.

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Originally Posted by Mortte Jousimo
I have long thought, that there are quite many artists that are assholes. Still I love some of theirs art.


exactly! that artists are assholes is a given. but at least they're assholes who make something good / beautiful--- unlike the rest of the assholes. ha!

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 09.25.2015 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Mortte Jousimo
Maybe I am just so naive, but I think there is a message in Lion King. Anyway it has been very important film to my son.

There is, the message is that Derrick Rose knee ligaments are made of paper mache
 

EVOLghost 09.25.2015 03:16 PM

Yo...Snow White and Alice in Wonderland has some amazing animation. I love watching them solely for that. It's so smooth and life-like to me.

Rob Instigator 09.29.2015 04:02 PM

I posted this on Facebookkkssss

"The beauty of Art is that I can use life lessons from Cliff Huxtable while being repulsed and disgusted by Bill Cosby."

The Map is not the Territory

The Artist is NOT the Artwork...

!@#$%! 09.29.2015 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
I posted this on Facebookkkssss

"The beauty of Art is that I can use life lessons from Cliff Huxtable while being repulsed and disgusted by Bill Cosby."

The Map is not the Territory

The Artist is NOT the Artwork...


i must spread more manteca before i spread manteca again

Rob Instigator 09.30.2015 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!
i must spread more manteca before i spread manteca again


https://youtu.be/A5tRGMHfKrE

!@#$%! 10.01.2015 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator


wassssssssssssuuuuuuuuuu!!!!!

this version is maybe the best ever i've heard of this tune. tremendous.

now we just have to wait for someone to list all of dizzy's sins and crimes i suppose.

Rob Instigator 10.01.2015 10:42 AM

he never became a junkie. is that a Jazz sin?

He kicked Parker to the curb when Parker became a ragged ass junkie. sin?

He WAS on the Cosby show several times... sin?

;)

!@#$%! 10.01.2015 10:52 AM

i heard he kicked a dog once

demonrail666 10.01.2015 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
he never became a junkie. is that a Jazz sin?


Well he did apparently admit that he might've become a better player if he had.


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