Logic....

NIN use a rock template whilst incorporating a fair amount of electronics. Ditto Mr G Numan. TG never used any goddamn rock template, according to my ears. That can of course be seen as a positive or negative aspect of their music.

I've never paid much attention to them. And I like it that way.

i think it's more a question of degree than that one was and one wasn't 'Rock'.

If TG were The Fall of Industrial Music, then NIN are its Status Quo.

I think TG could perhaps be compared to "rock" once they started using rhythm as the backbone of their sound. They were certainly far more "punk" than the vast majority of so-called Punk bands, who really weren't that far removed from pub rock, at the end of the day.

pah, industrial music. what a horrible genre name. lazy made up name. just because genesis p orridgs label was called industrial records they decided to lump any band that didnt kinda fit in with the straight metal rock thing into industrial. bands like ggfh, kong, die krupps, front 242, even neubauten got lumped in there. its a horrible term, i mean neubauten suit the term moreso because of their use of heavy tools as instruments....
anyway nin are an excellent band, gary numan is misunderstood and thribbing gristle were, well, unique.....

Which is the most twisted album?

this is so stupid...

Greatest band (if you call trent a band!) in the world.. alongside SY

How about the fact that Numan let Reznor "produce" him, resulting in the worst Numan records ever recorded. Genesis wouldn't do that, he can make bad records on his own, thank you.

Well i suppose mean the darkest album, the one thats the most messed-up sounding. I heard the recent stuff and it didnt do alot for me yet ive heard alot about the old stuff.

very true.