i don't agree, they work like greg ginn used to say about the black flag's funny songs, how they made the serious sound more menacing because the humour heightened them.

and i do hear a flow, if the whole sound of their songs would be unbroken throughout the album, then aenima would be very boring...that's what happened with lateralus, that's why that album gets so tiresome.

that its why I like it least of all. the fill material just doesn't blend well with the good material from the record. so that one ranks lower on my list. I think that space on 10,000 days is more connected and integral then it is on Aenima. Lateralus was my previous favorite, but I just like the sound on this other one, it seems to be more drawn out...

there is no filler.

I saw Tool twice on the 10,000 days tour and the songs sounded better live, the first track is up there with the best tool songs for me however Jambi is the worst. I fucking hate that song. Overall it's the worst Tool album by far but still worth a listen once every 2 years or so.

yes there is no filler, program your player with out these and you lose the flow of the album with aenima. i have a picture 12" with a 001 catalogue number with 46 &2, H and (-) ions

I just seen them a few weeks ago. I don't think I've been to a show that was more boring in my life! I've seen Tool a couple times before and they were great. This time, not so much.

Make a playlist on your media player and put track 11 and then 3 (in this order) together. Then get another stereo of some sort and play track 4 along with these at the same time. It's like a Flaming Lips Zaireeka type thing.

Are you kidding? I will probably actually try this. I have too much spare time...

i played kid 17 last night.

blew my mind.

if you don't know what it is, it's where you program two copies of kid a (one was on my tv playing through the ps2, one was on the computer...) to play, 17 seconds apart.

the entire album lines up in such a bizarre bizarre way.. and i know you can probably do this kind of stuff with many albums, but there really does seem to be a weird way the 17 seconds makes everything line up... i really was skeptical too, but ... man.

that shit was tight.

until i'd seen them play live (on the 10,000 days tour) 10,000 days didnt really grab me, but now when i listen to wings for mary the hairs on the back of my neck stand up (which is why i listen to/make music)

11 and 3 add up to the same time as 4, cool

kinda works but not really, virginti tres works with the start of 10k days but wings for marie doesnt work with it

i know it's not the right thread but, has anyone tried playing neurosis' times of grace at the same time with tribes of neurot's grace?

haha no i never heard of that, but i need to try that now. neurosis are great. riff goes up! riff goes down! such an inspiration to me.

yes, it fucking works. it's lovely.