Kiss the Martyr and Bless the Child (or whatever it's called) is an awesome album. I only own an album after that and I haven't given it much of a listen.

The Chariot are fucking cool. The album of theirs that I own was all done live with the exception of a few over-dubs here and there, but certain mistakes are left in. That's cool in my book. Good raw sound.

Norma Jean was amazing when Josh was in it. The Chariot are awesome too.

the rest of norma jean's stuff is your run of the mill pseudo emo metalcore like atreyu, avenged sevenfold and all those crap bands.

i haven't heard the fiancee yet.

anyhoo, dep!!!

I wouldn't be that harsh. They're much better than Atreyu or Avenged Sevenfold. The newest one is actually really good. It's just not as beautiful as Bless the Martyr. O' God The Aftermath was terrible, though.

i like their early stuff because it's a very original and intense sound and now they are within the limits of a sub sub sub sub genre. the chariot continued that sound and that's why they are pretty awesome, even if their albums are still spotty.

I agree. Except I own Aftermath and it's not a bad record at all, even though I haven't given it a great deal of time since its release.