Haha.
Anyway - Zionism - moan, moan, moan... Yes, it is a crime to the converted and nobody here is being converted. An Arabian schoolteacher had her head blown off two days ago by Israeli troops outside her house in front of her 2 children.

"antisemites"

So that fatous Selassie worshipping guy and the other guy who's constantly talking about asses and how "music has to fucking rock man it has to fucking rock" don't like Israel. Surprise, surprise.

wht I do not get, and have never gotten, is why, after WWII, when the nations that defeated the german nazis, and who had stood by letting the mnazi's exterminate their jews/gyypsies/homosexuals/freemasons/etc. felt all guilty and wanted to give the hebrews and homeland, WHY did they not give them a chunk of Germany? There is some beautiful country there. The Krauts would have not been able to say jack fucking shit about it.

I do not like nor dislike israel.

I do not like the shit they pull in the name of religion, nor any country that rules iot's people in the name of religion.

Oh yeah. And then the jews could have used the former concentration camps as a basis to their own new cities?

ahh, another genius reply.

as if it has been so peachy keen for the hebrews in Israel?

The Jews that were exterminated by the Nazis were Eurpoeans, German, Austrian, Hungarian, Polish citizens. Why NOT give them a chunk of land in defeated Germany?

someplace beautiful, away from the aforementioned concentration camps man.

Israel isn't doing anything in the name of religion. Israel is a reaction to the popular misbelief that judaism isn't just a religion but a race. Jews were tortured and killed thoughout the whole history no matter which state they lived in. What is wrong with giving them their own state in order to avoid that?

Basically there were concentration camps everywhere.

I said give them land that is fertile, that is beautiful, that is survivable, and away from their fucked up arab enemies man!

I am down for that.

independance day was last week

well, there kind of were millions of people already living there, who had been there for some time. how can a bunch of European jews feel justified in taking the territory from people who already lived there out of religious and ethnic idealogy? it is as absurd as the American manifest destiny. Just like the US with slavery and manifest destiny, Israel will have to come to terms one day with its terrifying foundations on inequality and injustice. tell the people the truth! But what can we expect, 60 years after the US founding they still had slaves! maybe in a hundred years the israelis will finally get it...

anyways European jews taking the holy lands as a homeland based upon their ideology and religion is about as insane as Alexandrian Ethnic Greeks from Egypt trying to retake Athens today, because they are descendents from athenians from two thousand years ago! I cant go back to germany and take some land because my ancestors lived there two hundred years ago, so how come the whole damned world supports zionims? it is bullshit, sorry, call it as a I see it.

Although a lot of the Zionists wanted the "holy land" out of religious reasons, you just have to concede that was the most uncomplicated choice for a jewish state. Feel free to name me another place where a jewish state could have been created.
There never was a Palestine state anyway, it always was part of other states and at the time of the creation of Israel it was under British control.

Also thousands of jews were already living in that country because they had to escape from Nazi Germany and had to go somewhere. These jews by the way "weren't welcomed very well" by the Palestinians to put it nicely.*

The allowedly harsh reactions of Israel against Palestines always were acts of defense. Without a doubt a lot of these reactions are exaggerative but if Palestines would stop their aggressions today there wouldn't be any more fights and a Palestine state could be created immediately. Sadly they don't stop.

* On a side note did you know of the link between the Nazis and the Mufti of Jerusalem who by the way was a mentor to Arafat? Very good friends as you can see here: http://jimball.com.au/Features/Mufti-Nazi.jpg
http://www.psywarrior.com/mufti539.jpg

there were plans to create a jewish homeland in the ukraine, argentina, and i believe south africa.

im not siding with the anti israel nuttiness, just sharing some information from the store of random facts in my brain.

That's true, but all of them more or less were illusory.

more or less, yeah.

just saying.

oh i did a google & found out stalin wanted to create a jewish homeland, and today ...

http://www.fjc.ru/communities/default.asp?AID=84435

also it was uganda, not south africa, and herzl himself was really into the idea...

anyway that's my contribution for the day.
is that real??

is what real, uganda? yeah herzl was for that, but what about the ugandians?
no matter where we would have settled they would have ated us. i will continue this train of thought tomorrow, when a bit less inhebriated...

I still think that a European location would have been distinctly super

I mean, fuck the germans. they started the whole goddamn thing anyway right?

hha ha ha enjoy man

what have you been drinking?

every time i open this thread i kinda feel my "don't get me started" arguments, but i most refrain from that.