Brilliant, yes. The impossibility of a totalising narrative, and the necessity of a more inclusive, and vague, one.

Also, Sting is clearly racially motivated. Otherwise he wouldn't be a cunt, innit?

The Bible is considered to be a political book by the communists, so that's not a far-fetched idea at all.

sad.

racist means just one thing. thinking/believing one race inherently superior just by virtue of being of said race, or vice versa, holding someone or some people as inherently lesser just by virtue of being born a certain race.

anything else is other forms of ignorance, from jingoism, sexism, etc.

since the masses only hear the lowest common denominator there are a lot of people in the USA who believe that a racist is solely and always someone who puts down african-americans, they cannot think a black man could be racist, because they have the wrong idea of what it means to be racist.

and everyone is a dumb ass.

I am a communist who happens to think that the nazis and the fascists introduced some good things to the world. Am I racist? Am I fuck.

Nope, you would be a relativist, because you understand that total evil or total good is a very rare ideal, and not truly descriptive of the world around us.

THEY THEY THEY THEY THEY THEY THEY

You're not outside of society.

Are we talking of Italian fascism (ie the Original one)? If so, I'm inclined to agree, up until the point that Mussolini turned into a racist arse....

..then again, didn't Benito M arrange an invasion of Abbysinya (i.e modern day Ethiopia) BEFORE he turned into a etc etc? Hmm...I need to do my homework more often on this stuff.

As an aside, I find it dead interesting how so many Italian Futurists had a prediliction towards an idealogy of Italian fascism (the re-statement of the Mezzogiorno, and so forth)...I like Marinetti's ideas in general, but can;t help but think that he was very much out of his depth when it came to politics...

The communism that I have in mind I am dead sure wouldn't happen without some form cruelty for the sake of everybody's good. You have to be realistic about these sort of things.

the italisn futirists did NOT have a predilection for fascism.

They were a prime INFLUENCE in the development of the idea of fascism, meaning rule by the elite.

not the same thing.

'Rule by the elite' would apply to mercantilism, feudalism, Platonism, Confucianism, Arcadianism (by many accounts) and most other systems of governance. Try again.

I am thinking about the introduction of certain social structures that came about in Italy with the Fascists, like the pensions scheme , which didn't exist before. I abhor the ideals and the partial racism that is inherent to both the fascists and the nazis, and the consequent atrocities that happened in their wake, but I can still recognise the little good that they did for the working classes' sake.

Erm, there's futurism and opportunistic futurism, if you get what i mean.

sarram - It's interesting to note that Benito M was a fully blown socialst in his journalist days...also too that he aligned himself to a "Roman" idea of the "fasces" concept - very different to the Prussian "Blut und Boden" ideals of the post-WWI German nationalists. Also too, forget not that the English political class at that time was also very national, racist, and anti-Semitic as a whole....as a counterpoint to that, wasn't it Gladstone who was nominally Jewish?

When I say working classes I hope that the internationalism that I atrribute to that term comes across. The term ''Working Classes'' has often a very ambiguous meaning to certain people. The working classes, that most struggling of social entities, are also capable of producing the sort of people that slavo has started a thread for, so any romanticism that is attributed to them is only that: romanticism.

Good call - they were certainly very nationalist, but didn't invent fascism, as it were. From my (very limited) understanding of Italian politics post-World War One, the two strands became mixed up/conflated after a short period of time, which makes an interesting comparison to German nationalism/fascism. ..and of course, there was a certain parallel thing going on in England at that point in time, too...

Slavery. I find that it's more than a bit cheeky of the English to blame everyone for atrocities when they too had a hand at mass slavery and consequent mass graves. Just because it doesn't come in numbers it doesn't mean that it wasn't a numerous death toll.

^^^Oh aye, we fucked up a huge part of the world thanks to our actions. Thank Christ for the Jamaicams for basically booting the English out in the 1870's.

EDIT: Evidently, I can't spell "Jamaicans"....

I don't understand when Neo Nazis deny the holocaust because why would they when it's something they would want to happen.