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Danny Himself 07.15.2008 03:38 PM
Marc Ribot is my favourite guitarist of the past 20 years and I would file him under jazz.

 


He's always doing something exciting and never stays put in a style for too long, which is great.

gmku 07.15.2008 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Danny Himself
How hard are you looking?

Also sometimes it's good to go to jazz clubs instead of just listening to records. Liverpool has a pretty small jazz scene at the moment, well at least smaller than it used to be in the 60s, but what I've been hearing is gold. Marley Chingus Jazz Explosion and The Blue Nite Band are great, if you can find them on myspace perhaps..

I don't mean to say there aren't good jazz musicians. I just don't think jazz evolved into anything very interesting past Bitches Brew or so. It got either very tinkly new-agey sounding or else just went retro and replayed the old styles. I don't think it could much further than where Coltrane and Davis took it.

Sheriff Rhys Chatham 07.15.2008 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Danny Himself
Marc Ribot is my favourite guitarist of the past 20 years and I would file him under jazz.


 


He's always doing something exciting and never stays put in a style for too long, which is great.

He is truely great. I got his Exercises in Futitlity a while back.
Though i'm not certain how to pronounce his last name.
Rib - It or Ry-Bo

Danny Himself 07.15.2008 03:55 PM
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He is truely great. I got his Exercises in Futitlity a while back.
Though i'm not certain how to pronounce his last name.
Rib - It or Ry-Bo

Ree-bow.

acousticrock87 07.15.2008 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by gmku
I don't mean to say there aren't good jazz musicians. I just don't think jazz evolved into anything very interesting past Bitches Brew or so. It got either very tinkly new-agey sounding or else just went retro and replayed the old styles. I don't think it could much further than where Coltrane and Davis took it.
Cecil Taylor and Ornette Coleman did.

gmku 07.15.2008 03:57 PM
I admire what they did throughout their careers but I don't think they did much beyond repeat what they had done prior to 1965.

Danny Himself 07.15.2008 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by gmku
I don't mean to say there aren't good jazz musicians. I just don't think jazz evolved into anything very interesting past Bitches Brew or so. It got either very tinkly new-agey sounding or else just went retro and replayed the old styles. I don't think it could much further than where Coltrane and Davis took it.

You could say the same thing about any genre. There's nothing wrong with styles being replayed if they are good styles.

Sheriff Rhys Chatham 07.15.2008 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Danny Himself
Ree-bow.
Thanks.:)

gmku 07.15.2008 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Danny Himself
You could say the same thing about any genre. There's nothing wrong with styles being replayed if they are good styles.

True. I just don't find new jazz very interesting because of that. & definitely "rock music" rehashes. Punk is just 50s rock sped up and angrier, for example.

Sheriff Rhys Chatham 07.15.2008 04:07 PM
What about free jazz?

gmku 07.15.2008 04:08 PM
Didn't free jazz happen before 1965?

MellySingsDoom 07.15.2008 04:10 PM
Mid-50's I believe, even before Ornette and Co. Isn't there a Lennie Tristano tune that prefigures free jazz? Can't remember for the life of me at the moment what it's called, unfortunately.

Sheriff Rhys Chatham 07.15.2008 04:15 PM
Some some reason the year 1958 comes to mind.

acousticrock87 07.15.2008 04:17 PM
Coleman started in '59. I don't know of anyone before him.

MellySingsDoom 07.15.2008 04:18 PM
Derek Bailey claimed he was playing "free" jazz in 1956 or something like that (mainly in rehearsals and stuff)...

gmku 07.15.2008 04:18 PM
I suppose if you want to stretch the definition of jazz, the stuff Zappa and Beefheart is interesting. But then again they were rehashing past styles, too.

acousticrock87 07.15.2008 04:19 PM
"The earliest documented example of free-form improvisation is a pair of 1949 recordings for Capitol by a group led by Lennie Tristano, "Intuition" and "Digression." These do not, however, seem to have had a direct influence on the later free jazz movement."

Good 'ol Wikipedia.

MellySingsDoom 07.15.2008 04:20 PM
Thanks, acousticrock!

acousticrock87 07.15.2008 04:24 PM
I've never heard of that. I wonder if they've been issued or something. If they can't assume the recordings held influence on free jazz despite coming ten years early, it's gotta be pretty out there.

MellySingsDoom 07.15.2008 04:26 PM
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I've never heard of that. I wonder if they've been issued or something. If they can't assume the recordings held influence on free jazz despite coming ten years early, it's gotta be pretty out there.

Looks like they're on this release:

http://www.amazon.com/Intuition-Lenn.../dp/B000005H6T


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