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atsonicpark 01.20.2009 01:47 PM

hah.

Best response yet.

SYRFox 01.20.2009 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by atsonicpark
hah.

Best response yet.

Should be the title of my biography

fugazifan 01.20.2009 02:19 PM

i think what swa(y) and dead air said are correct.
it depends really on the guitarist. i dont think that technical ability should be frowned upon. because an understanding of your instrument could only benifit the player. look at marc ribot, nels cline, django reinhardt, those people were and are incredible musicians, but they play tactfully. i think a good trait is to be able to play really complicated stuff but have the luxury to decide not to...
i unfortuantly can play well enough to play whatever my bands are playing and to write interesting stuff. but i still try to better my playing.
and its important to know chords/scales, what notes the strings are etc.

sonic sphere 01.20.2009 02:22 PM

when you can play stairway to heaven. backwards.

atsonicpark 01.20.2009 02:42 PM

Classes? Eh...?!

SYRFox 01.20.2009 02:47 PM

I'm talking from my experience as a pianist, but I think it works with guitar as well.
I've taken piano and musical theory lessons for 6/7 years and I think it has both benefits and drawbacks.

Benefits -> well for sure, it gave me technique, a knowledge on a lot of things - and I am able to play Deerhoof's Fresh Born on the piano since they released the score!

Drawbacks -> when I'm improvisating, I can find myself falling back on "classic" schemes (like for instance, basic chords) that I often played when I took lessons. So I sometimes have to do efforts in order to get out of those schemes

Glice 01.20.2009 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by hypertonic
Yes this is very true, but the more years you put those theory lessons behind you, the better you can seperate them from yr "vocabulary" if needed, and again don't play what you don't want to incorporate. (See above post regarding Equal Temp. too) I relate way more to Derek Bailey than say... Chuck Berry. A general understanding I think helps a bit, at least to relate to other more classical trained musicians. I don't like to pigeonhole, and generally refer to myself as a multi-instrumentalist now, but as synth/sampler as primary instruments for now, I admire the semi-freedom from rigid perfect 5th's or whatever.. Fretless stringed instruments (bass) and slide guitars are kinda neat...

Sorry for getting a bit off topic... These "good" noise and "good" guitar threads are pretty subjective...


I'm not sure what your point is, but Bailey is a sickeningly talented guitarist. The best my fair nation ever produced, I sometimes think. But it's that problem of Vivaldi making more sense than, say, Strauss - I know who's the more amazing person, but the world at large doesn't really like Dicky Strauss, do they?

NO POINT. AM PISSED.

Savage Clone 01.20.2009 06:22 PM

Strauss is OK when rendered by a 23-piece kazoo ensemble.

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 01.20.2009 06:35 PM

I say you are officially a guitar player when you can either pull off a proficient solo performance or hold your own in a band of some sort, and play music which outside ears determine as palatable. This solo performance, if necessary, could be substituted for a decent recording, however stage-shows are where you really cut your teeth as a musician and earn the stripes so to speak.

greedrex 01.20.2009 06:39 PM

you're a good guitarist when you can please yrself and others with yr sounds/ songs.

Glice 01.20.2009 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Savage Clone
Strauss is OK when rendered by a 23-piece kazoo ensemble.


Dude, - Strauss is my homeboy, get me? Elektra. That's the real shit right there. Any motherfucker who can break his shit down when he's dead and being raped by kazoos is a badass motherfucker if you ask me.

sarramkrop 01.20.2009 07:04 PM

When you stop thinking about your guitar the same way most males go on about cars and driving them. They are different things. A guitar is also not an extension of your cock because it's a guitar, not a cock.

fugazifan 01.21.2009 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Glice
I'm not sure what your point is, but Bailey is a sickeningly talented guitarist. The best my fair nation ever produced, I sometimes think. But it's that problem of Vivaldi making more sense than, say, Strauss - I know who's the more amazing person, but the world at large doesn't really like Dicky Strauss, do they?

NO POINT. AM PISSED.

i like vivaldi...
(i do need to start listening to more strauss though)

demonrail666 01.21.2009 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Savage Clone
Strauss is OK when rendered by a 23-piece kazoo ensemble.


you took the words right out of my mouth

Death & the Maiden 01.22.2009 05:57 AM

A good guitarist doesn't necessarily have to be innovative. For me, a good guitarist may or may not have versatility, a decent knowledge of theory, innovation, good technical ability

shentov 01.22.2009 07:31 AM

a good guitarist has to ROCK. no more no less.

blunderbuss 01.22.2009 08:18 AM

I've no idea how I'd go about deciding whether someone else is a good guitar player or not, but if I was trying to decide the same about myself, I'd consider myself good when I was able to get the sounds and melodies that are going on inside my head to come out of the guitar exactly as I imagine they should be.

[Sandbag] 01.22.2009 10:47 AM

in my opinion a good guitarist is someone who uses the guitar in order to work for/serve the composition.

theres also the technical part... depending on the music you make, you'll know what to use.. if long solos, effect pedals, bending, pullo-ffs/ hammer-ons, feedback, harmonies, weird noise, fuzz... in order to be a good guitarist you need to know what works best with the composition.

to me, a good solo is something like the instrumental part in Chapel Hill or Purr... a sequence of riffs that somehow fits the song more than some cheap-rockstar-lesson-cliched bullcrap

and 'becuz' instrumental part is one of the best '''solos''' i've ever heard

afterthefact 01.22.2009 11:17 AM

sKILL + cREATIVITY / dISCERNMENT = tALENT

atsonicpark 01.22.2009 12:08 PM

Wow.

I'm a good guitarist afterall. Thanks guys!


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