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fugazifan 07.18.2009 07:32 AM
yeah exactly
thanks

alex_could 07.18.2009 07:32 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by swa(y)
i just think that, not believing in anything particular, but acknowledging that anything is possible, is a really healthy place to be. at least, for me personally.

absolutely agreed, as about 'if everybody was agnostic'.

fugazifan, hold on man! :)

Shifty Prophet 07.18.2009 07:48 AM
Fugazifan, I truly feel for you and have been through a similar situation. Yes, family honor is something that most western societies haven't a clue about and your situation is really a sad one. As demonrail has said the best is to try to stay together and keep the possibilities open for a relationship down the road. In my experience though, this is an agonizing ordeal, (at least it was for me) in that it is difficult to ''hang out'' and ''be friends'' with someone that you loves, loves you without having any proper intimacy.

demonrail666 07.18.2009 07:56 AM
this isn't about religion, this is about ideology and politics - of which religion merely plays a part. My family are from the protestant side of northern ireland and i know that were any of them to have tried to have a relationship with a catholic while they were there it would've been incredibly frowned upon, but for political reasons far more than anything else. A similar thing happened to me when I was going out with a catholic, but to a far lesser degree - simply because the religious divide isn't as politicised in England as it is in Northern Ireland. Israel is a place, like Northern Ireland, where religion is inherently politicised. That's what I meant about Fugazifan being caught up in something far bigger than something that might on the surface appear to be little more than wanting a relationship that crosses two faiths.

Shifty Prophet 07.18.2009 08:10 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by demonrail666
this isn't about religion, this is about ideology and politics - of which religion merely plays a part. My family are from the protestant side of northern ireland and i know that were any of them to have tried to have a relationship with a catholic while they were there it would've been incredibly frowned upon, but for political reasons far more than anything else. A similar thing happened to me when I was going out with a catholic, but to a far lesser degree - simply because the religious divide isn't as politicised in England as it is in Northern Ireland. Israel is a place, like Northern Ireland, where religion is inherently politicised. That's what I meant about Fugazifan being caught up in something far bigger than something that might on the surface appear to be little more than wanting a relationship that crosses two faiths.

I agree.

fugazifan 07.18.2009 09:27 AM
yeah so i forgot that there is another interesting piece of the picture.
i had another real good female friend (jewish israeli) who i was somewhat interested in but knew that what i felt with girl a was much stringer. the day before i told girl a aobut my feelings, girl b told me that she has feelings for me. and i told her that kinda did as well but that there is someone else.
now she is telling me that she needs space, and time apart. which is understandable but its just a lot for me to deal with, the feeling that two important relationships that i had might be somewhat destroyed, over the course of two days....
anywise....
just thought i might add this update

demonrail666 07.18.2009 09:59 AM
now that's what i call really screwing things up!

fugazifan 07.18.2009 10:00 AM
yeah its all pretty messed up now...

floatingslowly 07.18.2009 10:11 AM
preconceptions be damned.

she sounds worth fighting for.

prove her wrong!

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 07.18.2009 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by fugazifan
(oops title should say hold of me....)

so aside from the obvious allusions to Romeo and Juliet here, let me ask you, is this girl an orthodox christian? I understand many Palestinian Arab Christians are Greek Orthodox. If she is practicing orthodox (i mean for real, not for family) then it will be very hard to get over things, its hard for orthodox christians to date any non-orthodox people, the orthodox church requires a strict lifestyle which is fairly incompatible outsiders [ trust me from experience with this one :( ]

!@#$%! 07.18.2009 02:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by fugazifan
(oops title should say hold of me....)
yeah so,
i dont develop romantic feelings that often. in fact since my last girlfriend, four years ago, i never really saw myself with anyone.
but over the past few months ive really gotten close to this girl. we really connect on a level that is really rare, and i had for a while doubted that i could connect with someone.
and i am crazy about her.
she is also an israeli christian arab.
two days ago i told her how i felt and she said that although she feels the same, it can never be. the reason is that her ex boyfriend was also not an arab (but was christian,, so me being jewish, and israeli does not help) and her society turned their lives into a living hell, and she cannot go through that again, or have me go through that.
long story short: i like girl, she likes me, but it can never be.

so ive been pretty depressed these past two days.
i hope i snap out of it soon.
but i do feel pretty terrible.

so yeah, just thought id share

get the fuck out of there and go to cyprus. then migrate to amerikkka. nobody gives a shit what god's dick you bow to here-- unless you're trying to run for president, but at that point you could move back to israel.

MellySingsDoom 07.18.2009 02:13 PM
That sounds so fucked up and cruel, senor fugazi. Life's a motherfucker sometimes.

fugazifan 07.18.2009 04:05 PM
yeah
i cant wair till my month and a half of vacation in a few weeks. 6 days in london- we should party and get me really drunk

MellySingsDoom 07.18.2009 04:12 PM
^^^Hell yeah! :)

fugazifan 09.24.2009 05:38 PM
got back yesterday from 6 weeks away. met her in the evening
we are now together
i
am
happy





thanks for all the support along the way

Genteel Death 09.24.2009 05:39 PM
Excellent. Congratulations man.

Keeping It Simple 09.24.2009 05:47 PM
I spent about 5 months backpacking around Israel several years back. The women are drop dead gorgeous.

dale_gribble 09.25.2009 12:21 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lamont Cranston
israeli christian arab
a minority, in a minority, in a racist country. That must be fun.
But cheer up, you could be me I've never had a girlfriend.

neither have i, not necessarily a bad thing... painful sometimes though.

greedrex 09.25.2009 03:10 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by fugazifan
got back yesterday from 6 weeks away. met her in the evening
we are now together
i
am
happy





thanks for all the support along the way

do you have to keep it secret?

Diesel 10.10.2009 06:48 PM
When the police come a knocking after she's ran away and not been home for a couple weeks you will find they will be on your side and can help from then on. Plus when her 'guardian' brothers turn up you can blame them for calling the fucking cops but then the copz can help ya! x


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