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jennthebenn 10.01.2009 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by notyourfiend
yeah, totally! pm me yr address and i'll mail it out!

i'll send it to anybody who wants it! i already mailed jenn a copy. :-D

just warning though - it's really riot grrl-este. i co-authored it with the person who i trained to direct the vagina monologues in the future (i organized it for a while) so yeah....

i also love zines. i had always wanted to do one. the ideas for this particular one just kinda came organically.

ps - we should do zine trading.


I've put my own writing aside long enough to digest "Hoax" today. You will
definitely get feedback.

notyourfiend 10.01.2009 02:29 PM

haha, it's okay jenn don't worry. i understand what it's like to be busy! but feedback is awesome. i kinda feel all vulnerable having put myself and some of my radicalism so out there. thanks! :D

Rob Instigator 10.01.2009 02:41 PM

without risk there is no reward

jennthebenn 10.01.2009 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
without risk there is no reward


Yessir.

notyourfiend 10.01.2009 02:43 PM

yeah. whats funny is that i actually didn't put in 3/4 of the shite that i wanted to talk about. ever since i went abroad to amsterdam/denmark to study human trafficking and prostitution i've kinda been fucked, unable to stop thinking about how much both patriarchy and global capitalism together suck.

!@#$%! 10.01.2009 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by notyourfiend
i co-authored it with the person who i trained to direct the vagina monologues in the future (i organized it for a while) so yeah....


id like to read your stuff too but first i'll say it's funny (both funny haha + funny peculiar) that the vagina monologues includes a story where a 13 year old girl is polansky'd by an older woman and she recalls it fondly and all is well.

double standards i say. :p

notyourfiend 10.01.2009 02:47 PM

funny story, i actually really hate the vagina monologues. seriously.

still, like the masochist i can be, i produced/directed/organized it for three years to raise money for a non profit called Y.A.N.A. which helps local prostitutes and human trafficking victims. once again, that trip fucked w me.

Rob Instigator 10.01.2009 02:47 PM

human trafficking is fucking horror

notyourfiend 10.01.2009 02:51 PM

yeah, seriously.

when i went abroad, i actually met trafficked victims. women who had been sold into prostitution. it was really really fucking intense. i entered the program completely sex-positive. i left with more questions than answers.


ps - as passe as it is, i've thought about writing a zine about the sonic youth....just about my own experiences growing up with the youth, how experimental jet set completely turned my life around etc.

!@#$%! 10.01.2009 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by notyourfiend
funny story, i actually really hate the vagina monologues. seriously.


i love the vagina but hate the monologues

Quote:

Originally Posted by notyourfiend
still, like the masochist i can be, i produced/directed/organized it for three years to raise money for a non profit called Y.A.N.A. which helps local prostitutes and human trafficking victims. once again, that trip fucked w me.


interesting use of masochism for a so-called "higher purpose". good job.

madame !@#$%! often shows "rape in the congo" to her students. it never fails to make her ill.

Rob Instigator 10.01.2009 03:06 PM

Read of how Gore Vidal says "America is rotting away. The worst-educated people in the First World. They don’t have any thoughts, they have emotional responses, which advertisers know how to provoke.”
http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/l...cle6854221.ece

davenotdead 10.01.2009 03:10 PM

i prefer vaginas that don't speak.

and apes that i don't have to call uncle

Lurker 10.01.2009 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
"common assumptions about evolution" are ussually completely wrong, much like most "common sense"

no scientists ever claimed we descended from apes, but that apes and humans descended from common ancestors,. it is the ignorant idiots that push that angle.


I was going to point that out too.

Lurker 10.01.2009 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by notyourfiend
yeah. whats funny is that i actually didn't put in 3/4 of the shite that i wanted to talk about. ever since i went abroad to amsterdam/denmark to study human trafficking and prostitution i've kinda been fucked, unable to stop thinking about how much both patriarchy and global capitalism together suck.


Surely that's just cunts rather than "patriarchy" and "global capitalism". By labelling it "patriarchy" you seem to be suggesting all men are involved in this.

notyourfiend 10.01.2009 03:20 PM

^ interesting article above. i only got a chance to skim through it (i'm finally getting shit to do @ my job) but i'll be sure it read it later!

notyourfiend 10.01.2009 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Lurker
Surely that's just cunts rather than "patriarchy" and "global capitalism". By labelling it "patriarchy" you seem to be suggesting all men are involved in this.


of course not all men are involved with trafficking. however, human trafficking is a direct result of both global trade and a supply and demand "rape culture." on the supply side, people living in third world conditions have been raped by capitalism. women are desperate to leave their situations and easily lured into being trafficked, families in dire poverty will sell daughters (because they can't support their children and they are worth less than men), poor men pimp out women to make enough money to live (after all, pimping is the only profession older than prostituion) ...on the demand side, we are taught that we can and should be able to get what we want when we want it, including sexually. men want prostitutes/sex workers at a cheep price.

not to sound like a party pooper (and i know i'm gonna get a lot of shit for saying this) but i really do believe that if people are going to look at porn they need to be doing a weeeee bit of research. whenever i look at porn (and yes, i do enjoy pornography), i make sure that it's made by companies who actually are legitimate because otherwise, you never know. especially for those of you out there who like kinky shit - so many women are trafficked and forced to do that stuff. the fact we are taught that it's a given right that you should be able to jack off freely does, in fact, harm women.

and that's just a brief summary of how patriarchy and capitalism come together to make human trafficking one of the worst underground trades...

Lurker 10.01.2009 03:33 PM

You're right.

Rob Instigator 10.01.2009 03:55 PM

I don;t like porn where you can tell the chick's been dosed with e, or coked up, or half roofied. fucking sick shit.

davenotdead 10.01.2009 03:57 PM

i don't like porn

pbradley 10.01.2009 04:01 PM

I don't pay for porn.

FOR PORN!!

Sorry, Kate Monster.


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