Originally Posted by Murmer99

no hotlinking pls

Originally Posted by Starcat

what?

Originally Posted by Starcat

WOAHwhat? picture?

Originally Posted by Nefeli

been meaning to make it. will do.

Originally Posted by ann ashtray

I liked the stuff she did as Stella Rico. I mean, I'm not going to say she hasn't done anything musically I don't enjoy...there just isn't much of it. She just falls short in the artistic department for me.

Originally Posted by ann ashtray

I'm more interested in the artists than I am those affiliated with them. That's just me, though.

Originally Posted by ann ashtray

I prefer this one. Nice seeing her be put on her ass/embarrassed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lXUd7VxuSA

Originally Posted by Starcat

How was she put on her ass there? She tried to criticize that guy's act and he flared up and yelled at her until she backed off... She definitely wasn't embarrassed, she stayed calm throughout the whole exchange. I guess it wasn't a success for her since she barely got any words out, but she definitely came across as the bigger person to me.

Originally Posted by ann ashtray

How so? She was rude by engaging in a conversation she didn't belong in. Sorta like preaching the word of god in public schools...it's just awful.

She didn't deserve to get any words in. Why she was even there is beyond me.

Originally Posted by Starcat

It was exactly like preaching the word of god at a school. HE was preaching and the word of god was his offensive act. Comedians know when they're being offensive, and should have a better defence than to yell down their critics for criticizing them at all. Her goal was to defend the girls that he had been ridiculing, and his goal was to cover his own ass. That's a much more cowardly position to take.

Originally Posted by ann ashtray

To me it appeared his "act" was over and he was outside conversing w/ some friends/fans/etc. If she had an issue w/ his act, perhaps she shouldn't have been there. I mean, it's not like she's changing anything or making a difference. Comedy at it's best is usually offensive.

Someone should defend the boys she ridicules (actually, I do it all the time).

I don't think he was being a coward at all...I think she stepped on his turf and he he shoved her off it. That simple. If someone breaks into my house, or intrudes on a conversation they don't belong on, I'm damned sure not going out of my way to allow them to speak. She talks too much as is.

Originally Posted by Starcat

If he bases his comedy around being offensive then he should accept it and be able to defend it. Good comedians are offensive for the purposes of satire, and are actually not hateful people. If his only response to her criticism is to tell her to shut up and go away, then I'm led to believe that he's just a hateful person.

Looks to me like they were in a bar... Hardly his "turf". He makes it his business to let people know what he thinks of women, why can't she make it her business to respond to it? As he observes in the video several loud times "don't tell people what to do".

Originally Posted by ann ashtray

Why can't a good comedian be a hateful person? I mean, define "good person".

And whether they be at a bar, a venue, or a gas station parking lot she still engaged in a conversation she had to business being in. And thing is...she's made somewhat of a living off of expressing her feelings regarding men. That spoken word record she did w/ Exene was just painful to even listen to. Not because I'm some dick chauvinist, but because she's clearly an individual not in tune w/ science/nature. Seems to me she likely, and I can't be sure because I wasn't there, showed up at this event to stir shit. Also funny is the fact that no one there (including the person that posted the video on Youtube) seemed to even know who the fuck she was.

I love her little laugh. It screams "I don't know what to do and wasn't expecting this response". She likes getting reactions out of folks, was awesome seeing her get one she CLEARLY did not EXPECT nor ENJOY. I'd have paid to have seen that.

She sucks dick and calls it art. lol (well, ok...in all fairness this was prolly Richard Kern's idea. So much for female empowerment, Lydia).

Originally Posted by Starcat

What's a conversation she doesn't belong in? She can talk to anyone she wants just like this comedian can say whatever he wants. They both make a living off of making fun of the other. The difference is that when they came face-to-face she was alone and remained calm and he was with a bunch of his friends and flared up. I conclude that he's a hateful person. Maybe a good comedian, but a hateful person. So I see no reason to respect him the way I respect Lydia.

Originally Posted by ann ashtray

That's fair + I can respect yr opinion, but we're going to have to agree to disagree on this matter.

Originally Posted by Starcat

That's cool... Put please explain the comment about sucking dick and calling it art. Because that began to trip my male chauvinist detector, which I know you've been quick to explain throughout this discussion is not your intention.

Originally Posted by ann ashtray

Well, I'm definitely a male and there is a part of me that naturally considers the sexual aspects of females. I think they, like me, should be able to express themselves any way they choose...but those sort of actions, considering the sort of shit she says about men, make me question her motives and sincerity.

I deleted that part...but, it still stands.

Originally Posted by Starcat

Yeah, I'm a male too and am a humanist rather than a feminist... Men aren't bad the same way the women aren't bad. I feel like Lydia sometimes lets her frustration turn into hatred but her intentions are still good, the same way I trust that your intentions are good in defending that guy for giving her shit.

Originally Posted by Starcat

That's a valid opinion. And you'd better like some of the projects she's been involved with! Because she and Thurston wrote and recorded Death Valley 69 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9k0dJEkzXc4

Originally Posted by ann ashtray

Yeah I know, I know.

They also worked together on her "In Limbo" record, which isn't bad. I believe Thurston played bass on it.

Originally Posted by Murmer99

I don't really have anything against lydia lunch, but did you pay attention to the video? I only saw him lose his cool once she began saying things like "I don't think so Joe, look at me when I'm talking to you" (with an instigating tone, might I add) and basically threatening to put her cigarrette up his nose. I doubt I would've reacted the way he did, but I'd definitely take it the wrong way and feel uncomfortable if it were my first time speaking to someone. You're acting like she just showed up and politely voiced her opinion. She clearly tried to intimidate him, albeit he might've overreacted. She tried to act like the whole thing didn't happen afterwards. Owell

Originally Posted by SpaceCadetHayden

sway is still alive and are you sad about it

Originally Posted by Starcat

The fact that this guy is receiving any support on these boards is bewildering to me.

Originally Posted by blunderbuss

But you haven't been posting here for long, have you?

Originally Posted by Murmer99

Again, you're assuaging her own flaws in her approach towards him. Who gives a fuck who he was making fun of? He makes fun of both men and women all the time, and people take him too seriously when it's a female apparently. Why doesn't anyone get in his face when he's mocking a guy? oh that's right... ridiculous. Haha

It has nothing to do with ostentation or "tough guy attitude", the guy was really cool with her initially until she started acting condescending by making demands like telling him to look into her eyes or some shit. Being somehwat familiar with the guy, I can tell it wouldn't make a difference who was surrounding him and lydia. The guy speaks his mind regardless.

Perhaps it is silly that an entire page and a half has been posted about this, but what exactly is so shocking about a Sonic Youth board member disagreeing in this situation? Like I said, I don't really care enough to despise her, but she has always came off to me as patronizing and rude. I'm not ok with that just because she was involved with other musicians I happen to admire. There is enough evidence right in front of you (if you look), and this time she just happened to run into someone who wasn't going to take her demeaning behavior... and then she starts verbally backing down trying to sound like she's an angel. Pretty cowardly to me, but I guess that part isn't even in the video? maybe I'm seeing shit.