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!@#$%! 12.22.2013 08:42 PM

 

Severian 12.22.2013 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous
Now we're getting somewhere. Can we take this a step further? How successful were these bands? Were they big enough in the "mainstream"? Did they have an impact of their own? Thank you for actually posting some substance by the way, I appreciate it (sincerely)


Dude, I named, like, half of these bands in my post. This guy listed more bands than I did, but still... C'maaan!


Anyway, don't forget the higher profile artists who directly cite the Beatles as an influence... You'll have to move forward a couple years in time, but these artists all carry with them a piece of the Beatles' dynamic:

Simon and Garfunkle - Hugely popular, definitely have their own legacy, might even be on a par with the Beatles in terms of quality, songwriting, etc.

Nilsson for sure.

Pink Floyd. For christ's sake, of this band stayed in tact, they'd probably be as big as the Beatles by now. Unfortunately they're more like the Stones at this point, or (much worse) Van Halen, since they have three distinct eras at least, and their fans are split into warring factions.

Donovan - Man, this guy took the Sgt. Pepper approach and ran with it. Huge talent, and extremely influential to important current artists like Beck, and Sufjan.

U2, The Police, the Cure - Probably the three definitive '80s bands. The Beatles influence is palpable in all three, but it stands out most in the Police. Extremely musical, challenging, and prior to becoming "Sting's old band," they were pretty damn good. U2 just wanted to be the Beatles, and kind of became the closest thing, by default, since they loved to switch up their sound and stayed popular for so *motherfucking* long. The Cure, I'm not sure about, but something about their early aesthetic feels very Beatlesque to me. They also became experimenters, only they never strayed to far from the frantic pre-alternative angst whining that made them famous. Still, Disintegration is such an anal, pitch perfect album. It's reminiscent of Phil Spector production, and it's iconic as hell.

But all you need to do is look at the top selling college rock albums on any given week. Chances are, 70-100% will be less than six degrees sonically removed from the Beatles. Look at the biggest indie bands of the last few years. The Beatles were 50 years ahead of their time, but now it seems like every innovative band is doing their own Sgt. Pepper.

I'm really bored

GravitySlips 12.22.2013 10:31 PM

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Influence is when bands have similarly distinctive sounds, inspiration is when bands were directly inspired but not necessarily have the same sound. Many bands were inspired by the Beatles to start bands, to play shows, and as Rob in particular mentioned, to focus on original song writing and crafting. However, in the 1960s so many bands had a unique sound of their own that its hard for me to hear a Beatles influence, while never denying the impact of Beatles on the scene and bands in general. Sure, Jimi Hendrix covered Beatles songs, but honestly, who really hears early Beatles in that raunchy, bluesy, psyched out Hendrix tunes? Shit, even when he covered Beatles songs they didn't sound like Beatles songs, they sounded like fucking Hendrix songs. The Grateful Dead quite literally covered two dozen Beatles songs, and yet dude, who the fuck honestly hears the Beatles in the Dead during 1968? Pigpen had them sounding like a damned Otis Redding cover band, not some "I wanna hold your hand" wanna-bes. Again, both Hendrix AND Jerry Garcia were very fond of the Beatles and spoke often of how much they were inspired by what the Beatles were doing which inspired them to go out and do their own thing. I know I sound like a broken record, and its not like I'm right and y'all are wrong, these are strictly matters of taste and opinion. Further, I'm used to have unpopular musical opinions so its all good..


So would you say Sonic Youth were inspired by bands like The Velvet Underground/Stooges rather than influenced by them?

Who/what were SY's influences?

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 12.22.2013 11:02 PM

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!@#$%! 12.22.2013 11:09 PM

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inspiration is when bands were directly inspired


a = a

 

 

Toilet & Bowels 12.23.2013 06:31 AM

John and Yoko financed The Holy Mountain by Jodorowsky

evollove 12.23.2013 10:35 AM

suchfreinds won't be satisfied until we find an artist who:

1.) Was producing music before the Beatles
2.) Had a particular sound

And then:

3.) Produced music after the Beatles which:
4.) Dispensed with the old sound in order to sound like the Beatles

But don't bother thinking too hard. Even if we find someone who meets this rigid criteria, the response will be, "Okay, fine. That's one. Name another."

TheMadcapLaughs 12.23.2013 12:19 PM

the stones sounding very beatle-ish...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JU3yqdo8Lc (the meat puppets cover of this great)

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 12.23.2013 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by evollove
suchfreinds won't be satisfied until we find an artist who:

1.) Was producing music before the Beatles
2.) Had a particular sound

And then:

3.) Produced music after the Beatles which:
4.) Dispensed with the old sound in order to sound like the Beatles

But don't bother thinking too hard. Even if we find someone who meets this rigid criteria, the response will be, "Okay, fine. That's one. Name another."


No, I think that would about cover it, but of course, folks haven't gone that into depth yet so....

tesla69 12.23.2013 02:06 PM

Do you know you can get a Masters in Beatles studies?

I think there are whole books that answer your question below, but your time frame is a bit off, it should start in 1963, as they had a year or 2 in the UK before they clicked in the US.

What mystifies me is this is supposed to be one of the McCartney's biggest selling songs ever
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5626WzsfMw


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Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous
Lets have an intelligent musical discussion. On the recent Nivana thread folks have been comparing Nirvana to Beatles, which might not be valid. Its led to heated side-bar discussion about the Beatles in general. I personally just don't see the Beatles as being influential to the 1960s so much as inspiring. So many bands were inspired to start up bands and get out there when they saw the Beatles doing it, but I just don't hear any influence on the music itself.

If y'all do, kindly document this progression please. Can y'all help inform me and list record releases in chronology to demonstrate how the Beatles directly influenced mainstream bands from 1964-1968? I don't dispute the influence of records like Abbey Road and Let It Be, but these records clearly had their impact more so in the 1970s as a plethora of Abbey Road/Let It Be records and bands came out. However before then? I just don't hear it. It was mentioned that Stones responded to Sgt Pepper, but to me I don't hear it, if anything it sounds like Sgt Pepper was a response to both the rising Stones and also the weird 1966/67 Blues revival explosion which replaced the folk era and spawned the success of bands like the Grateful Dead (who relied almost solely on kick ass Ottis Redding covers until 1968), Jimi Hendrix (who also relied on blues "standards" until Are You Experienced), Cream, Black Sabbath, and even James Brown.

So step up and help us out, with evidence demonstrate chronologically just how influential the Beatles were (as opposed to being inspiring)..


demonrail666 12.23.2013 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by evollove
suchfreinds won't be satisfied until we find an artist who:

1.) Was producing music before the Beatles
2.) Had a particular sound

And then:

3.) Produced music after the Beatles which:
4.) Dispensed with the old sound in order to sound like the Beatles

But don't bother thinking too hard. Even if we find someone who meets this rigid criteria, the response will be, "Okay, fine. That's one. Name another."


Hendrix in 65: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqUGEcxEJ44
Beatles in 66: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3znOTuT4K8
Hendrix in 67: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zg2segLZoeA

Pre Beatles: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fGaBv8pAMA
Post Beatles: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjFQ4JQqK_0 (which also influenced the Beatles)

Slight Beatles Influence: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NV62UcqbcQA
Massive Beatles Influence: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcy8o0gj-A0

The Byrds apparently switched to 12 string guitars after hearing The Beatles. So their signature sound is heavily influenced by The Beatles.

tesla69 12.23.2013 03:32 PM

Oasis

Genteel Death 12.23.2013 04:40 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fe7q8yDPJFo

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 12.23.2013 07:39 PM

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Parfum is indeed my all-time favorite novel, I've also read it several times, and keep reading it all the damned time. It's such an epic read..

Toilet & Bowels 12.23.2013 08:18 PM

I think it come down to this, does everything a band does/do/did sound like I Want to Hold Your Hand? No? Then they aren't influenced by the Beatles.

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 12.23.2013 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Toilet & Bowels
I think it come down to this, does everything a band does/do/did sound like I Want to Hold Your Hand? No? Then they aren't influenced by the Beatles.



 

!@#$%! 12.23.2013 08:56 PM

http://listverse.com/2012/10/11/10-b...changed-music/

http://joetheflow.wordpress.com/2009...y-the-beatles/

TheDom 12.23.2013 11:05 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IcK4S5lDE0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBH97ma9YiI

Genteel Death 12.24.2013 05:02 AM

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I think this may be the last I've heard an English band writing a song I loved. It's very John and very English, which I like both.

Genteel Death 12.24.2013 05:03 AM

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I think this song may be the last I've heard an English band writing a song I loved. It's very John and very English, which I like both.

No, it's The Shadow Ring.

It's Broadcast.

!@#$%! 12.24.2013 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Toilet & Bowels
I think it come down to this, does everything a band does/do/did sound like I Want to Hold Your Hand? No? Then they aren't influenced by the Beatles.


the intro here is more hard day's night that hold your hand i think

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hvi4iA3PnKE

of course this is a beatles cover

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyVsg4nwJn0

TheMadcapLaughs 12.24.2013 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Genteel Death
I think this may be the last I've heard an English band writing a song I loved. It's very John and very English, which I like both.


sounds similar to this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IcK4S5lDE0

!@#$%! 12.24.2013 09:13 PM

a bit of a terrible cover, but here you go

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWH8Xa4zGzA

another

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6g5BFhe4to

hirsute_biped 02.09.2014 04:57 PM

Watched a few clips of the Beatles 50th anniversary tribute to the Beatles' first Ed Sullivan Show appearance. Mostly shit, can't help but think if John and/or George were alive they would have naysayed much of the smarmier elements and kicked some ass.

Bytor Peltor 02.09.2014 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by hirsute_biped
Watched a few clips of the Beatles 50th anniversary tribute to the Beatles' first Ed Sullivan Show appearance. Mostly shit, can't help but think if John and/or George were alive they would have naysayed much of the smarmier elements and kicked some ass.



How did you already get to watch this?

We will be watching in a few hours when the CBS Special airs. Hard to believe it's mostly shit if they are re-airing their first Ed Sullivan Show appearance and the reaction / news coverage that went along with it. May not be my favorite era of the Beatles, but I will watch and see.

Bytor Peltor 02.09.2014 08:15 PM

It appears I may have been too hopeful......just five minutes in and so far it's been complete CRAP.

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How did you already get to watch this?

We will be watching in a few hours when the CBS Special airs. Hard to believe it's mostly shit if they are re-airing their first Ed Sullivan Show appearance and the reaction / news coverage that went along with it. May not be my favorite era of the Beatles, but I will watch and see.


Bytor Peltor 02.09.2014 08:27 PM

May have posted the above too soon: Jeff Lynne and Joe Walsh just knocked one out of the park.

Wish they would let Jeff Lynne sing all of the songs!

hirsute_biped 02.09.2014 10:54 PM

I think it was pre-taped and a few bits made it out on the news services online. Didn't see Lynne and Walsh though, I'll have to look for that. This could have been a million times greater.

Bytor Peltor 02.10.2014 04:14 PM

^^^your so correct!

What infuriated me, I was expecting them to air the original broadcast of the Ed Sullivan show (at least the performances) and then show some of the newscast from around America the day after. Playing 30 seconds of a song from the original broadcast and then switching to a live on stage performer was horrid.

Thoroughly enjoyed Annie Lennox and Dave Stewart!

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 02.10.2014 04:18 PM

I think the whole thing stinks of "hey lets find yet another way to fleece the Beatles and a dozen other artists at the same time"

Could be my bias. Honestly, its a big deal and a big anniversary but whenever TV specials get involved I think it totally destroyed the integrity of any of it. Also, lets be honest, they're just milking the sadder reality that all those people from the 1960s/70s are now in their 50s-60s-70s and make for a great CBS audience to rummage through nostalgia and memory lane enough to totally miss the point. Honestly, was anybody under the age of 30 even remotely interested in it? Probably not. If anything, they may have signed, sealed, and delivered the Beatles into the 21st century obscurity of "my grandparent's favorite band."
 


There. I said it.

hirsute_biped 02.11.2014 12:34 AM

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^^^your so correct!

What infuriated me, I was expecting them to air the original broadcast of the Ed Sullivan show (at least the performances) and then show some of the newscast from around America the day after. Playing 30 seconds of a song from the original broadcast and then switching to a live on stage performer was horrid.

Thoroughly enjoyed Annie Lennox and Dave Stewart!


There's a DVD of the Sullivan appearances if you want to see it. I've been trying to think of who should have played:

Flaming Lips: (have already done credible covers of Strawberry, Lucy & Walrus
Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds: Yer Blues
Tom Waits: Mr. Kite
Portishead: Tomorrow Never Knows
Neil Young: A Day In The Life with feedback ending & Paul
Lee Ranaldo & The Dust: Within You Without You
Led Zep/Black Sabb with Merzbow: I Want You, She's So Heavy



Who else?

RanaldoNecro 11.30.2021 04:55 PM

Everyone on the forum check out Beatles, Get Back doc at 1:36:43 in Episode Two.

RanaldoNecro 11.30.2021 04:55 PM

Everyone on the forum check out Beatles, Get Back doc at 1:36:43 in Episode Two.


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