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atari 2600 04.22.2006 11:33 PM

ewwww, the backhanded compliment

you bitch you haha

yeah truncated has been shining & Glice was up there, but recently has been taking a nose-dive somewhat

ah, the pressures of fame...infamy haha

HaydenAsche 04.22.2006 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by atari 2600
ewwww, the backhanded compliment

you bitch you haha


It was mostly nice though. Glice gave me a sweet little quote for my siggy and I'm basically married to Truncated.

Everyone else has atari quotes and I feel left out.

Пятхъдесят Шест 04.22.2006 11:36 PM

gay marriages are still illegal, no?

HaydenAsche 04.22.2006 11:37 PM

Yeah. That's why I'm 'basically' married to truncy. We could've had a real wedding had she just waited to get the operation.

Пятхъдесят Шест 04.22.2006 11:41 PM

Gall blatter?

HaydenAsche 04.22.2006 11:43 PM

No. Sex Change.

golden child 04.22.2006 11:44 PM

i dont really buy all this, oil war shit. sounds to me like a bunch of liberal know-alls with sticks up their asses. ive not seen any proof.

saddam huissen is by no means a saint, responsible for the death of millions. bushes timing seems odd, and unprovoked.

it seems overall in life im torn by issues, i think im a really contradictary personality.

i am by no means a bush or republican supporter, but im DEFIANTLY not a democratic supporter. i think bush made a mistake going into iraq and he knows it, but once your in this deep you can just jump out which is think is wise. i think it maybe baby bush's finishing daddies buisness or maybe they really did think there were WMD and after they found out there were none they couldnt go back.

i dont know, its complicated.

hearing people like flea or anyone go off on bush just makes me yawn, its so overdone and underproved but at the same time i dont agree with bush policies at all but do you really think the world would be soooo much better if kerry was elected?

i dont know man, things are fucked up and i fear for the future

Пятхъдесят Шест 04.22.2006 11:46 PM

Logically, I don't know. All the newlyweds I know have their gall blatters removed before eloping.

HaydenAsche 04.22.2006 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by golden child
hearing people like flea or anyone go off on bush just makes me yawn, its so overdone and underproved but at the same time i dont agree with bush policies at all but do you really think the world would be soooo much better if kerry was elected?


Exactly! Celebrities need to shut the fuck up.

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Originally Posted by golden child
i dont know man, things are fucked up and i fear for the future


I've pretty much given up hope. We are all fucking doomed. End of story.

HaydenAsche 04.22.2006 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Пятхъдесят Шест
Logically, I don't know. All the newlyweds I know have their gall blatters removed before eloping.


Yeah but she didn't have to wait for that one.

Пятхъдесят Шест 04.22.2006 11:48 PM

Right, those can basically be done on the streets.

basically
basically

golden child 04.22.2006 11:48 PM

not even celebrities, people at school, people everywhere.

kids go crazy and are like, dude cheney got drunk and shot a guy AND DIDNT ADMIT FOR 48 HOURS, HOW CAN WE TRUST OUR ADMINISTRATOR

and i just wanna punch this guy in the face

atari 2600 04.22.2006 11:48 PM

yeah we definitely can't jump out that's for sure. in our current situation where shias are committing terror crimes at will it almost makes sense to use our current position in iraq to exterminate those fuckers in iraq & iran as well. in fact, the US could assassinate or otherwise exterminate every shi'ite cleric in any country that they exist in the world & i would applaud the victory. When the followers weep for their martyr, make sure to take care of every one of them as well. But, you see, we 're not going to do that because the Republican multinational billionaires have been in bed with the rat bastards for a long time now.
your little parroting of proud marie's inept post earlier today though shows that you are in ignorance & denial. Even Bush snidely defends the war to the democrats explaining that "at least we have an energy policy." Anyone that doesn't believe this war is over resources & also profiting from corrupt insider contracts alongside stealing from bloated (& often outright bogus) military budgets needs to fucking get with reality.

when rahm emanuel (d-il) was on maher last night a question was put to him by bill that addressed the inherent power of lobbyists & implied that it might be the most important concern & the representative just brushed off the question & redirected his attention elsewhere. i've seen enough already. rep emanuel is a bought-&-paid for mountebank. to add further evidence, he voiced support for hillary clinton as the next democratic presidential nominee much to the chagrin of mr. maher. I've of course remarked in our little political threads here that campaign finance reform will never fly like it should & the what's really needed is a call for a constitutional amendment to end repeat terms of office because the corruption has grown to be that bad among republicans & democrats alike. Bill Maher repeatedly makes another great point. He often remarks upon the Democrats' puzzling weakness to really go after the republicans through republican-style demagoguery which would surely win them elections. the democrats did go after bush heavy that one time...regrettably over slight katrina mismanagement which made those particular democrats (& celebrities) look like irrational, ridiculous fools; & i suppose many of them are. thank heavens that it was a bipartisan criticism that nixed the proposed uae dubai world ports deal. that, along with ever soaring gasoline prices, is what tipped the scales & is still wreaking havoc with bush's numbers.

if you truly observe recent american history, you'll discover that it was during the '80s & '90s that PAC lobbies sponsored by large corporations & huge wealthy interests gained their massive political clout.
the '80s & '90s saw a time of an unprecedented rapid (in some case exponential) growth of wealth in this country. Think of it as the rape of the Baby Boomers' harvest. As a result, even the Democrats succumbed to the temptation. But we've crashed now & in a big way. The democrats may be corrupt too by & large but at least they are more likely to be more truthful & also more mindful of the laws of the united states. their record shows that at least. you may just want to ask yourself at this point, golden child, just who it is that (as you put it) "has a stick up their ass"?

HaydenAsche 04.22.2006 11:51 PM

Yeah. I live in Willmar which is basically the biggest Republican town ever so everyone here supported Cheney throughout. I try to stay out of it. I have very strong beliefs that neither the Democrats or the Republicans agree with. I generally lean more towards the Democrats general perspective but I don't want some idiot for a president so I don't even bother getting into it.

Пятхъдесят Шест 04.22.2006 11:56 PM

Honestly, I thought Minnesota was like a liberal heaven. Round here in these parts, people still seem to be in denial about anything negative being said about the President.

HaydenAsche 04.22.2006 11:58 PM

Minnesota is a liberal heaven. My town is not, however.

golden child 04.23.2006 12:01 AM

oregon trys to be all liberal, really its a very conservitive state with the exeption of portland and eugene which are coincidentally the biggest two cities.

and every kid is like OMG d00D, bu5h is te4 suxz0rz!11!!

Proud Marie 04.23.2006 09:45 PM

OK, atari and you others, never once did i say people cant have opinions nor that i support bush. I clearly said its fine to have opinions, and i also said i dont support the war in Iraq. I dont support bush infact.

The only thing i said was that flea shouldnt go around using his fame to get political attention, and that his facts were fucked up. there are MORE than two political views, you know, so dont immediatly group me into one.

So dont go off on me when i say one thing that doesnt defend some loudmouth celebrity that thinks he has something to say

Пятхъдесят Шест 04.23.2006 09:48 PM

Keep it up, and people may stop going off on you, and start going on you.

Proud Marie 04.23.2006 10:09 PM

I dont get it

!@#$%! 04.24.2006 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Proud Marie
I dont get it


you might need more phosphorus in your diet :D

Confusion is Dante 04.24.2006 08:03 AM

(quoted from Atari2600: About iran...hopefully we can mount a covert operation to assist the youth of iran that are growing weary of shi'ite fundamentalist controls.)
Whoa!! Atari can form intelligent thoughts?????
I'm down for this..............I'll accept anything other than Israel going in....

Proud Marie 04.24.2006 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!
you might need more phosphorus in your diet :D


alright! i got bananas today! o wait those have potassium. The only thing i know that has phosphurus is urine, and thats not gonna happen.

atari 2600 07.17.2006 02:39 PM

http://www.foreignaffairs.org/200607...tes-rise.htmll

excerpts:

By liberating and empowering Iraq's Shiite majority, the Bush administration helped launch a broad Shiite revival that will upset the sectarian balance in Iraq and the Middle East for years to come.

The mantra "one man, one vote," which galvanized Shiites in Iraq, is resonating elsewhere. The Shiites of Lebanon (who amount to about 45 percent of the country's population) have touted the formula, as have the Shiites in Bahrain (who represent about 75 percent of the population there), who will cast their ballots in parliamentary elections in the fall.

Since 2003, Iran has officially played a constructive role in Iraq. It was the first country in the region to send an official delegation to Baghdad for talks with the Iraqi Governing Council, in effect recognizing the authority that the United States had put in power. Iran extended financial support and export credits to Iraq and offered to help rebuild Iraq's energy and electricity infrastructure. After former Prime Minister Ibrahim al-Jaafari's Shiite-led interim government assumed office in Baghdad in April 2005, high-level Iraqi delegations visited Tehran, reached agreements over security cooperation with Iran, and negotiated a $1 billion aid package for Iraq and several trade deals, including one for the export of electricity to Iraq and another for the exchange of Iraqi crude oil for refined oil products.
Iran's unofficial influence in Iraq is even greater. In the past three years, Iran has built an impressive network of allies and clients, ranging from intelligence operatives, armed militias, and gangs to, most visibly, politicians in various Iraqi Shiite parties. Many leaders of the main Shiite parties, the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq (SCIRI) and Dawa (including two leading party spokesmen, former Prime Minister Jaafari and the current prime minister, Nouri al-Maliki), spent years of exile in Iran before returning to Iraq in 2003. (SCIRI's militia, the Badr Brigades, was even trained and equipped by Iran's Revolutionary Guards.) Iran has also developed ties with Muqtada al-Sadr, who once inflamed passions with his virulent anti-Iranian rhetoric, as well as with factions of Sadr's movement, such as the Fezilat Party in Basra. The Revolutionary Guards supported Sadr's Mahdi Army in its confrontation with U.S. troops in Najaf in 2004, and since then Iran has trained Sadrist political and military cadres. Iran bankrolled Shiite parties in Iraq during the two elections, used its popular satellite television network al Aalam to whip up support for them, and helped broker deals with the Kurds. Iraqi Shiite parties attract voters by relying on vast political and social-service networks across southern Iraq that, in many cases, were created with Iranian funding and assistance.



Iraq's liberation has also generated new cultural, economic, and political ties among Shiite communities across the Middle East. Since 2003, hundreds of thousands of pilgrims, coming from countries ranging from Lebanon to Pakistan, have visited Najaf and other holy Shiite cities in Iraq, creating transnational networks of seminaries, mosques, and clerics that tie Iraq to every other Shiite community, including, most important, that of Iran. Pictures of Iran's supreme religious leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, and the Lebanese cleric Muhammad Hussein Fadlallah (often referred to as Hezbollah's spiritual leader) are ubiquitous in Bahrain, for example, where open displays of Shiite piety have been on the rise and once-timid Shiite clerics now flaunt traditional robes and turbans. The Middle East that will emerge from the crucible of the Iraq war may not be more democratic, but it will definitely be more Shiite.

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to all my doubters & naysayers...read it & weep.

kingcoffee 07.17.2006 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Confusion is Dante
Honestly..............Saddam Hussein was funding terrorists in Israel. $20,000.00 to each family who sent a family member as a body-bomber to kill Israelis.........A war on terror is a war on all terrorism.
And.........if America doesn't do something about Iran's newly acquired nuclear power, in violation of the nuclear non-proliferation treaty I might add, Israel will.
Let me put that into perspective:
If America goes into Iran......the Muslim world will look at that as "Those damned imperialists will never quit and we can't stop them...."
If Israel invades Iran.......There will be a major holocaust.
Israel has nukes, and may use them........Iran has nukes....and probably will use them.............
I, for one, do not want to breathe the fallout from that conflict.


Iran does not yet have nuclear weapon capabilities. They have been tinkering with nuclear power, but all intelligence indicates that the country is many years away from creating a nucelar weapon. I don't trust any country with nuclear weapons. Not even our own. It's a scary, scary technology that can only be used for evil and malice. I wish to God (Hendrix) that Einstein never helped develop that technology. I know he only did it to beat the Nazi's from getting it first, but damn. It still sucks.

kingcoffee 07.17.2006 04:53 PM

I know that the U.S. supports Isreal, but I don't think that this is always a wise decision. Isrealis may have put up with an enormous amount of bullshit over the years (thousands of them) but they are just as guilty of ignorance and prejudicial violence as the people they are constantly fighting with. I am so upset with the behavior of the people in the Middle East that it boils my blood. Thje disputes are so goddamn ridiculous that it blows my mind. It basically boils down to religious differences. I know that it is more complicated than just idealogical differences, but it keeps coming back to that particular conflict. I don't understand why people can act so violently for such terrible reasons. At times, it makes me think that it would be best if the people in that are just wipe dthemselves out completely so the war would just end. If there are no people, then there is no feudin and a-fightin'. But I know that this particular line of thinking is too pessimistic and wrong. Millions of innocents would die and that is not worth it. There needs to be a strong, manageable truce between Isreal and all the other violent, feuding nations in the Middle East. There also has to be a well-organized and proper extermination of Terrosrist and exteamist-minded organizations in the area that instigate and carry out terrorist acts. They are evil, twisted people that don't deserve to live. They should be tried for war crimes and put in the utmost maximum security prisons by the United Nations.

The problem wiht the Middle East problem right now is that the UN never gets invloved. And when they do, they are ineffective. The UN is too weak right now to get people to behave properly. No one is afraid of them so no one listens to them. The world is in a sad state and I can only imagine that it will get worse as people lose sight of realistic and peaceful goals and only serve their own selfish,vulgar desires. This includes Bush and his gang of War Criminal buddies. You know who I'm talking about. Bush will never really wrap things up in the Middle East. Because he doesn't want to. The more conflict in the Middle East means more money for he and his friends. He's such a greedy, evil fucker that he will actually allow millions to die so he can make billions. Sickening. Down right sickening. Bush is a terrorist.

kingcoffee 07.17.2006 04:56 PM

And kiss my ass to anyone who says otherwise. I don't care what anyone else thinks, especially the government. I hate the way this country is being runa nd I hate where this country is beinf run into: the ground. Bush and his cronies and practically destroyed all that was great about this country: ethe economy, the freedom of speech, the seperation of church and state and just out general freedoms. George W Bush is the worst thing to happen to this land since the arrival of white people hundreds of years ago. They wiped out almost all of the Native American people and Bush is trying to do basically the same thing in the Middle East. He doesn't care how many lives he destroys, as long as he gets what he wants: money and power. Fuck him.

atari 2600 07.17.2006 04:57 PM

Yeah, Einstein later regretted letting Szilard send the letters to FDR.

Yeah, Iran is years away from ICBMs.

Yeah, Israel is sometimes the aggressor.

Can't help but see that you have blinders on to the point though. That's okay. I just stumbled upon the recent article I posted excerpts of above & since it backs up everything I've been writing for years, I posted it. If you haven't been around for the history of our little political threads here, my last post may not make that much contextual sense.

A tidbit the author left out:
Our government has been in covert league with Shias ever since the Iranian Hostage Crisis & Reagan's inauguration; it's an unholy alliance that goes back way before Dubya.


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