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Rob Instigator 03.13.2020 08:20 AM

5-9 days until symptoms show.

expected that 30-70% of population will be exposed.

70% of cases are very mild, with few symptoms

around 15% are heavy, with bad fevers, etc.

around 15% require hospitalization (that is a shitload of people)

and of those requiring hospitalization, 7% are hyper-critical.

scary

!@#$%! 03.13.2020 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bytor Peltor

100% TRUTH: I don’t know

yes! finally what you needed to say all along and then shut up afterwards

!@#$%! 03.13.2020 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _slavo_
I wanted to travel home to see my family after more than a month.
They shut down the borders, I needed to stay here in fucking Zürich

goddammit, it’s like a reverse iron curtain

did you ever read “the unbearable lightness of being”? great novel if you haven’t...

Bertrand 03.13.2020 10:30 AM

I work at the university. French president Macron said all schools and universities would be closed from next monday till...
A part of the scientists wish to understand that teaching is over for the time being, but that they'll be allowed to work on the projects/research. Which is tricky, as a lot of people working at the lab are... students, trainees...

The lab is 120 people more or less, but by april, we rocket up to 170 most of the time, because scientist hire (when they pay them) trainees. That covers up for the state not spending on replacing retiring colleagues.
Lots of thinking to be done.

We expect to be asked to work from our homes. Which I don't like at all. I'm not against not going to the university (I'm not opposed to staying home doing what I want), what I mean is that I don't want my apartment to be transformed in a part of the university. No work home.
Plus no means to do that.

Selfish consideration: all those cancelled gigs... a good chunk of what I look forward to has gone down the toilet.
Have not seen any rush on toilet paper, this being said, but I don't roam each aisle. All I saw was empty racks of rice and pasta.

ilduclo 03.13.2020 01:01 PM

went to a financial office today, it's funny all the ways you can avoid touching things, elbows, notebooks, etc. Plus open doors from the bottom of the handle. Not many people use that. I'm still a bit worried around here. State of Oregon only has been able to test 700 people. Governor has been asking feds for test kits and PPE for weeks, no response from Mike Penice (is this a decimate the blue states concept?). But significantly, we have a TON of foreign students here, many very wealthy Chinese scions of the Shanghai elite, and Saudis as well. Those kids travel all the time, off to Europe for vacation, back to ‎Riyadh‎ or Shanghai to visit the folks, etc. We've had "significant amount" of flu here among that population and a lot of students just were recalled from foreign study in Italy.

I fear Tiny Town is going down, but not without a fight!

 

!@#$%! 03.13.2020 02:40 PM

the trumpet just declared a national emergency

it just means federal money will flow into the states

h8kurdt 03.13.2020 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by !@#$%!
the trumpet just declared a national emergency

it just means federal money will flow into the states


But Bytor/Fox said it was nothing?!

!@#$%! 03.13.2020 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by h8kurdt
But Bytor/Fox said it was nothing?!

he’s a trump university graduate—will fall for any con

e.g., quoting lou fucking dobbs :rolleyes:

_tunic_ 03.13.2020 03:43 PM

 

floatingslowly 03.13.2020 05:29 PM

 


here is a decent comparison between cases in Italy, and where the US stands today.

it's not long before you see your emergency rooms saturated, and all ICU beds / respirators taken up.

even at the aforementioned mortality rate of 5% (which IMO is skewed lower due to China's preventative measures), the US is looking at 16.5 million dead. to write this off as "only the elderly and infirm" is a criminal act devoid of any compassion. you will ALL know someone who dies.

the mortuaries will be overrun and the bodies stacked like cordwood before Christmas.

The Soup Nazi 03.13.2020 11:10 PM

My US$0.02, which in local currency is CLP16.93 (buys you fuckall, but if you export a lotta shit I guess you're happy): we were told this would happen. Part of a Zakaria Global Briefing e-mail from February 28:

Quote:

'Disease X' Is Here

As it turns out, we were warned: The coronavirus hews with surprising fidelity to characteristics listed by a group of health experts in 2018, when they warned the WHO that humanity was vulnerable to a pandemic of a hypothetical "Disease X."

"Disease X, we said back then, would likely result from a virus originating in animals and would emerge somewhere on the planet where economic development drives people and wildlife together," Peter Daszak, a disease ecologist on that team, writes in a New York Times op-ed. "Disease X would probably be confused with other diseases early in the outbreak and would spread quickly and silently; exploiting networks of human travel and trade, it would reach multiple countries and thwart containment. Disease X would have a mortality rate higher than a seasonal flu but would spread as easily as the flu. It would shake financial markets even before it achieved pandemic status."

In other words, it would look just like this virus. As for how to protect ourselves in the future, Daszak writes that prevention efforts need to be sustained between headline-grabbing outbreaks, with efforts directed toward "disease surveillance." In more immediate terms, The Economist warns that the virus is coming, and governments should heed lessons from China: that it's best to communicate actively with the public, to try to slow the disease with quarantines, and to undertake the "painstaking" logistics of figuring out, for instance, how to set aside hospital beds and floors.

So that's the scientific community, which nobody listens to, and The Economist, which Joe Sixpack, Hockey Mom and Donald Trump do not read (Trump does not read anything, as we're well aware of). But there's another source that warned us: EVERY FUCKING ZOMBIE MOVIE. OK, not every one of them, not the George Romero classics, but the zombie subgenre eventually became a litany of bullcrap flicks in which zombie shenanigans start with some kinda virus. And unlike science and neoliberal newspapers, virtually everybody gets hooked on zombie pap! So how did they not see this coming! Incompetent fuckos! Next: Thanos wipes out half of all life in the universe by snapping his fingers while admiring the Leaning Tower of Pisa!

Bytor Peltor 03.14.2020 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by _tunic_
But note that you can already have the virus without noticing it. This takes a couple of days. And if you have it, you can already spread by e.g. coughing or sneezing. At least that's what I understood.


100% my understanding as well. I hope I’m able to make the same claim regarding not knowing anyone suffering from coronavirus this time next week. Here in Jefferson County, we have zero confirmed cases, but I understand this could change at any moment!

 



Quote:

Originally Posted by h8kurdt
But Bytor/Fox said it was nothing?!


Not once anywhere in this thread did I claim this!

choc e-Claire 03.14.2020 01:05 AM

Learn what a metaphor is, chud.

And, to those of you who are trying to argue that challenging the Trump administration's response to COVID-19 is inappropriate:
Quote:

Originally Posted by Donald Trump (November 8, 2013)
Leadership: Whatever happens, you're responsible. If it doesn't happen, you're responsible. (link for proof)


h8kurdt 03.14.2020 03:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bytor Peltor

However, keeping things in perspective regarding daily deaths, currently, coronavirus is mostly media driven hype mixed with the public’s overreaction.



Quote:

Not once anywhere in this thread did I claim this!

You tried to follow fox news' narrative that the whole thing was bullshit and that's it's an overreaction and nothing more.

Bytor Peltor 03.14.2020 05:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by h8kurdt
You tried to follow fox news' narrative that the whole thing was bullshit and that's it's an overreaction and nothing more.


YES - in America, the daily deaths currently fail in comparison to other daily deaths and this was the perspective I was referring too.....let’s pray it stays this way!

The public’s overreaction was regarding the hoarding to toilet paper and goods. Healthy people wearing mask when health experts are saying that doesn’t help.

Lastly, I was responding to _slavo’s_ question:

Quote:

Originally Posted by _slavo_
How's the situation in the country where you live?


As of this Saturday morning, in America, the coronavirus has mostly been a inconvenience of delays, cancellations and postponements......at least for me and my community. Hopefully I can say the same next week!

The Worst-Case Estimate for U.S. Coronavirus Deaths

demonrail666 03.14.2020 06:12 AM

 

h8kurdt 03.14.2020 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bytor Peltor
YES - in America, the daily deaths currently fail in comparison to other daily deaths and this was the perspective I was referring too.....let’s pray it stays this way!

The public’s overreaction was regarding the hoarding to toilet paper and goods. Healthy people wearing mask when health experts are saying that doesn’t help.

Lastly, I was responding to _slavo’s_ question:



As of this Saturday morning, in America, the coronavirus has mostly been a inconvenience of delays, cancellations and postponements......at least for me and my community. Hopefully I can say the same next week!

The Worst-Case Estimate for U.S. Coronavirus Deaths


Uh huh

Bytor Peltor 03.14.2020 06:11 PM

How Serious Is Coronavirus?

Skuj 03.14.2020 07:30 PM

Bytor should join Team Whitehouse: He is able to spin his previous comments so well, even Grisham would blush.

golden child 03.15.2020 12:12 AM

20 confirmed cases in the smallest state. Higher education closing, displaced international students. All entertainment permits revoked. Wondering if I will have a job next week since I work in the food industry. State offering unemployment and disability to affected persons. Main concern is food supply. Wondering how the internet works. Listening to Psychic TV.

Bytor Peltor 03.15.2020 02:17 AM

Passengers stuck in long lines for immigration at DFW

 


This man is the global authority on the spread of disease.

_slavo_ 03.15.2020 08:30 AM

I'm starting to feel a bit uneasy.


When I see the news/instastories from my pals in Bratislava, there is an admirable level of discipline with people, everyone prefers to stay indoors, and if needed, they wear facemasks or scarves. Schools closed, bars closed, fitnesscenters closed, everything as it should be.


But here in Switzerland? Nobody gives a flying FUCK. I am unlucky enough that my roomate is a bar owner and every night works in a bar downstairs. Swiss government passed a regulation that only bars/cafes with attendance up to 50 people can be open. But how the hell is this logical? Be it 25 or 12 or 5 or 60 or 7000 people together, the virus can spread.



I even can't get out this shithole now. Fortunately we can be on home office, so it's good, but I need my groceries and stuff + the flat can be contaminated if the roommate is a carrier.


Well, I guess, this will be a lesson for humanity. Stay safe, my friends.

greenlight 03.15.2020 08:39 AM

so since my last post here on 11th., where we had 10 cases confirmed, it went up to 54 cases (most of them have travel anamnesis if not all). today is what, 15th.? still good ratio on 5 mil. inhabitants. strict rules applied now. grounded flights, borders shut, 14 days mandatory quarantine once coming back from abroad, pretty much empty streets. still working from office, half of my colleagues working from home, we should swap next week. most of the people took it responsibly and not hanging around unless really needed. it seems like bye bye to Lee Ranaldo's gig next month in Austria. Im not sure whats the story with my trip to Scotland in May or Primavera Sound in Barcelona in June. hope it will be over by then, but u never know. Spain starting to be something similar to Italy, well not yet, but good few cases confirmed.

_slavo_ 03.15.2020 08:55 AM

Spain is on a bad track, so is UK and France ...


Hope we'll make it to Primavera, man.

A Thousand Threads 03.15.2020 09:43 AM

2nd death confirmed today here in vienna. shops, restaurants, bars etc. closed - grocery stores, drugstores still open. Police supposed to control people on streets by tomorrow. government telling people to stay home and absolutetly minimize social contacts.

I'll work for another couple a days at the closed restaurant to preserve all the fresh food we still got (drink all the open wines)... but mostly home isolation here. it's wicked.

Slavo, take care... Switzerland seems to have crazy numbers of new infections right now..

h8kurdt 03.15.2020 09:44 AM

Swear I wanna stab the morons who decided panic buying toilet roll, milk and bread was essential. Least there was enough wine so we're ok there.

!@#$%! 03.15.2020 10:10 AM

damn, slavo.

best thing you can do now for your immune system is RELAX.

i know it’s hard for you to do but yeah.

hang in there. maybe get free drinks from the rommate :D

tw2113 03.15.2020 12:20 PM

Just checked for South Dakota.


"As of March 15, there are nine coronavirus cases in South Dakota."


"More than 325 tests have come back with negative results."


So at least the people who felt need and reason to get tested, for the most part, are coming back clean from this specific case.


Obviously doesn't mean it's gone/not here, just potentially the wrong people getting checked.

h8kurdt 03.15.2020 12:21 PM

Quote:

The Trump administration has offered a German medical company “large sums of money” for exclusive access to a Covid-19 vaccine, German media have reported.

The German government is trying to fight off what it sees as an aggressive takeover bid by the US, the broadsheet Die Welt reports, citing German government circles.

The US president had offered the Tübingen-based biopharmaceutical company CureVac “large sums of money” to gain exclusive access to their work, wrote Die Welt.


According to an anonymous source quoted in the newspaper, Trump was doing everything to secure a vaccine against the coronavirus for the US, “but for the US only”.

The German government was reportedly offering its own financial incentives for the vaccine to stay in the country.

When approached about the report by the Guardian, the German health ministry would only confirm the accuracy of the quotes attributed to one of its spokespersons in the article.

“The federal government is very interested in vaccines and antiviral agents against the novel coronavirus being developed in Germany and Europe,” the spokesperson quoted in the original article had said. “In this regard the government is in an intensive exchange with the company CureVac.”

The German health ministry spokesperson declined the opportunity to correct any inaccuracies in Die Welt’s account.

With its headquarters in the south-western German city of Tübingen, CureVac also has sites in Frankfurt and Boston in the US. Linked with the German health ministry, it works closely with the Paul Ehrlich Institute, a research institution and medical regulatory body that is subordinate to the German health ministry.




On 11 March, CureVac released a statement that its CEO, the US citizen Daniel Menichella, was unexpectedly leaving the firm and would be replaced by the company’s founder, Ingmar Hoerr.

At the start of the month, Menichella was invited to the White House in Washington to discuss strategy for the rapid development and production of a coronavirus vaccine with Trump, the vice-president, Mike Pence, and members of the White House coronavirus task force.

The White House has been contacted for comment.

Of course they have

h8kurdt 03.15.2020 12:22 PM

Quote:

The Trump administration has offered a German medical company “large sums of money” for exclusive access to a Covid-19 vaccine, German media have reported.

The German government is trying to fight off what it sees as an aggressive takeover bid by the US, the broadsheet Die Welt reports, citing German government circles.

The US president had offered the Tübingen-based biopharmaceutical company CureVac “large sums of money” to gain exclusive access to their work, wrote Die Welt.


According to an anonymous source quoted in the newspaper, Trump was doing everything to secure a vaccine against the coronavirus for the US, “but for the US only”.

The German government was reportedly offering its own financial incentives for the vaccine to stay in the country.

When approached about the report by the Guardian, the German health ministry would only confirm the accuracy of the quotes attributed to one of its spokespersons in the article.

“The federal government is very interested in vaccines and antiviral agents against the novel coronavirus being developed in Germany and Europe,” the spokesperson quoted in the original article had said. “In this regard the government is in an intensive exchange with the company CureVac.”

The German health ministry spokesperson declined the opportunity to correct any inaccuracies in Die Welt’s account.

With its headquarters in the south-western German city of Tübingen, CureVac also has sites in Frankfurt and Boston in the US. Linked with the German health ministry, it works closely with the Paul Ehrlich Institute, a research institution and medical regulatory body that is subordinate to the German health ministry.




On 11 March, CureVac released a statement that its CEO, the US citizen Daniel Menichella, was unexpectedly leaving the firm and would be replaced by the company’s founder, Ingmar Hoerr.

At the start of the month, Menichella was invited to the White House in Washington to discuss strategy for the rapid development and production of a coronavirus vaccine with Trump, the vice-president, Mike Pence, and members of the White House coronavirus task force.

The White House has been contacted for comment.

Of course they have

_tunic_ 03.15.2020 12:55 PM

Schools are now closing too over here, so are sports clubs and bars and restaurants. And as of tonight
coffeeshops as well. Which led to long queues everywhere. :D The top picture in that article is my local shop.

Bars were still open here but already closed in Belgium, so many Belgians came to party last night in our southern cities.

Restaurants are closed, but home delivery is still possible, my New York Pizza is on its way :rolleyes:

Stay safe y'all!

greenlight 03.15.2020 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _slavo_
Spain is on a bad track, so is UK and France ...


Hope we'll make it to Primavera, man.


I hope too.

greenlight 03.15.2020 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _tunic_
coffeeshops as well. Which led to long queues everywhere :D


:D :D :D

Bytor Peltor 03.15.2020 02:24 PM

 

_tunic_ 03.15.2020 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by greenlight
:D :D :D

It was announced during a press conference at 17:30 that they would be closing at 18:00 which explains the sudden last-minute rush to stash up for the coming three weeks

(I quit smoking weed since August btw)

Bertrand 03.15.2020 02:43 PM

The shut down continues. After cancelling all activities involving a 5000 people crowd, after lowering the level to events of 100 or more people, it's every cultural activity that has been shut down.

Yesterday the prime minister said: all that ain't necessary will be closed.

Banks... bakeries, food suppliers, supermarkets, chemists can open. Restaurants are closed. The impact will be huge on them. Sent support to a couple of pizzerias in small towns. The owner of the one that sets up gigs in his place, hopes he'll be allowed to deliver. But I doubt it.
Restaurants have food supplies that will be wasted. One way of supporting would be to trade with them to help them face a quarantine, I've read.
Prudence asked for.
Yet...
The government didn't stop this day's city hall elections. And what do we have? In Rennes (220 000 people), abstention rose to 60%... What does that mean?

!@#$%! 03.15.2020 02:57 PM

im ready to hunker down for about 3 months. i have a holy trinity of coconut oil, protein powder, and vitamin supplements lololol. i mean, if the shit hits the fan (which i don’t think it will) i got the basic blocks covered and can go keto.

and oh yeah, if you’re worried about asspaper (you shouldn’t) maybe look into getting yourself a wudu bottle. ;) thanks, islam!

greenlight 03.15.2020 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _tunic_

(I quit smoking weed since August btw)


nice one.

tw2113 03.15.2020 06:27 PM

Halt your lives for a little while, basically.


Forecast: Cabin fever pretty soon.

choc e-Claire 03.15.2020 07:07 PM

Would farming myself out as a babysitter count as cynical profiteering?


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