I do, and that's one of the several reasons I want him gone.

Biden wasn't my first choice for Democratic nominee (that was Warren) but if that's what we've got, I'm voting for him. If he picks Warren to be his VP, all the better.

So back to the original question...Is Biden really a serious contender for the Democratic nomination? Or do you think the nominee will be Hillary Clinton, Andrew Cuomo, Bernie Sanders, or [fill in the blank]?

Um.....

A) It will be Biden of course, or

B) 7/10....I replied.

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Why Joe Biden’s VP will be the person he trusts and admires the most

By Rahm Emanuel

May 9, 2020 at 7:00 a.m. MDT

Rahm Emanuel is a former mayor of Chicago, White House chief of staff and Democratic congressman from Illinois.

For most of our history, vice presidents have been chosen to help bring “balance” to a ticket, uniting a party divided by ideology or geography ahead of the general election. As a result, most vice presidents have been little more than window dressing. Two men who went on to be president learned this firsthand: LBJ was iced out of JFK’s Camelot; Dwight Eisenhower, asked about Richard Nixon’s contribution near the end of his two terms in the White House, said, “Give me a week, and I’ll think of one.”

To this day, choosing a running mate remains an explicitly political decision. But, more than most people realize, it is, above all, a very personal choice. A ticket’s chemistry is among the most important (if underappreciated) factors in determining electoral success. More importantly, vice presidents now wield real power in the West Wing. For that reason, my bet is that however much his choice helps him politically, Joe Biden, a former vice president himself, will select the person he admires most, trusts most deeply and gets along with best.

The present job was forged in 1992, when Arkansas Gov. Bill Clinton made the unlikely choice to run with someone from the state next door. Tennessee Sen. Al Gore turned out to be a political asset because he underscored Clinton’s moderate, Southern, “New Democrat” credentials. Voters could see that the two men, and their spouses, had genuinely come to like each other, though they had different interests and skill sets.

Few of us involved in the vetting process at the time understood how important that personal connection would be. Throughout the first meeting Clinton held on whom to pick, convened in Tallahassee, he clutched a copy of Gore’s book “Earth in the Balance.” Over the course of the following weeks, names came on and off Clinton’s list. Despite broad expectations that Clinton would “balance” the ticket somehow, Clinton’s respect for Gore’s intellect ensured that his name remained — the only constant in the group.

After the election, that bond became even more important. Clinton brought Gore into every important decision. During the government shutdown of 1995, House Speaker Newt Gingrich was pushing Clinton to accede to big cuts to Medicare and Medicaid, and the president’s pollster, Dick Morris, was urging Clinton to cave. Gore stood alone with Clinton in the Oval Office as they decided to reject Morris’s advice. That proved to be the right call: Voters blamed Republicans for shutting down the government in pursuit of their heartless agenda, and the standoff turned the political tide for much of the next six years.

The lack of a personal bond can unravel a ticket. Arizona Sen. John McCain’s decision to nominate Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin in 2008 briefly put a scare in some old Democratic hands. Palin, a newcomer, checked all the right boxes — young, female, reliably conservative. But she was entirely out of sync with McCain’s persona and message. Within two weeks of her boffo introduction at the GOP convention in Saint Paul, she ran afoul of McCain’s politics and personality and quickly became a drag on the ticket.

Biden was an effective vice president because President Barack Obama trusted his political judgment. At a final auto bailout meeting convened in the Roosevelt Room, the president’s economic and political teams were largely at odds. Some believed we should let GM and Chrysler go bankrupt — others recommended a bailout for GM alone. Biden, himself a blue-collar kid from Scranton, Pa., understood the impact shuttered plants could have on a community, and argued persuasively that if Washington was going to be in for a penny it should go in for a pound by saving Chrysler as well. He was right on the merits — and his standing with the president helped steer the administration in the right direction.

When Biden is president, his toughest days will be those where policy and politics are in conflict. He will need to trust the judgment of his vice president to help him steer the country through. The good news for this year’s Democratic nominee is that the women he will consider have a lot to offer his ticket politically. Each promises to strengthen his standing among a specific demographic or, in other cases, in a crucial region. But only Biden can measure the personal chemistry that will help him convince the country the two people on the ticket can work together to manage the many challenges ahead.

Picking a running mate is a bit like picking a partner or even a spouse. “Balance” has a lot to recommend it. But outside appearances are far less important than underlying trust.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...-admires-most/

So, Warren then.

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y. told National Public Radio last week that while the allegations against Biden are "not clear-cut," she believes "something has happened" between Reade and then-Senator Biden.

"There have been investigative journalists that have corroborated certain aspects of her account -- that is undeniable -- [and] have raised questions about other aspects of her account," Ocasio-Cortez said Thursday. "It certainly seems as though something has happened. I'm not sure... Frankly, this is a messy moment, and I think we need to acknowledge that -- that it is not clear-cut."

Is #MeToo officially dead? Male, white corporate oppression prevails yet again?

Do movements ever truly die? It just may not be as vocal or other topics are even more vocal, given the times.

hmmmmmmmmmm...

Spot on.

Sometimes, change can take generations. 30-40 years ago, a boss slapping his secretary on the behind would've been accepted as sleazy yet normal behavior and likely not have had any consequences for the boss. Nowdays, people can sue and get people fired over things like that. This battle may have been lost, but the war is far from over.

I guess we're willing to concede this battle given Biden's irrefutable and irresistible combination of intellectual prowess, visionary leadership, verbal eloquence, ethical principles, etc. I can see that. :eek:

Sorted that for you. All it does is highlight how much of a shit show this whole election is going to be.

So you think that if Biden steps down, then Sanders will become the nominee? That all the people who couldn't be bothered to vote for him in South Carolina/on Super Tuesday will come crawling out of the woodwork and bury Trump in a landslide and create a people's utopia? Instead of the GOP/right wing media machine dredging up all of the worst human rights abuses, poverty and pollution of the USSR, China, Khmer Rouge, Cuba etc. and scream, "This is what Sanders wants for America!!" and scare those on the fence into giving us 4 more years of Orange Moronade?

Face it, even if this country would benefit from some socialist policies, we will never have a self-proclaimed socialist in the driver's seat so long as there are people alive to remember ever having read about the Soviet Union in anything other than a history book.

nice reply gk but you’re feeding a maga troll

OK, how's this then:


*ahem*


Nuh uh! Tara Reade's a Russian plant trying to cause chaos! It's Biden's turn!!!1!!111!!

I'd like to think that everyone campaigning "vote blue no matter who" would have stuck with that had it been a Sanders vs. Trump campaign in the end. Honestly seems kind of unlikely though.

lol that’s not what i meant.

i prefer your first reply. i’m just saying the critter up there is not pro-bernie

i would have, and said so. i don’t care who at that point honestly.

I'm aware, but for some reason you don't strike me as the type who would've normally gone for the runny porridge of a candidate we have now. Those who were (and are) firmly supporting him seem like largely the type to quake in their boots at the 'dangerous socialist extremist' running for president - the one who, y'know, actually votes differently, and more progressively, than the norm.

i know you’re good at math, so you understand the concept of a single option, yes? A/B.

we’re dealing with a binary choice here, so when you call the better candidate “a runny porridge” you become the clever ally of your own gravediggers.

i understand that maybe there could be a better system etc etc but that world does not exist. we only have THIS world. and in this particular world i’d rather break my fast with runny porridge than with radioactive turds.

i used to have runny porridge for breakfast actually, back in the day. it wasn’t ideal but didn’t kill me.

i am serious. do this experiment in the morning: in one bowl a runny porride. in the other some fresh dog turds with a sprinkle of plutonium. choose breakfast.

in my ideal world there would also be no covid and i’d have fresh eggs daily. in this world however i’m eating dehydrated potato with canned chili for dinner and i’m glad for it because it beats covid ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

you have a good brain and lofty ideas but remember that politics is the art of the possible and the struggle is day in/day out, because nothing was ever built in a day, but a lot of catastrophes happen quickly.

#1 duty here is to prevent catastrophe. the grueling work of building all the rest day in / day out comes after.

Even though it's been years since I posted here regularly, apparently I have given you too much Rep to add to your Reputation for that.

“For a woman to come forward in the glaring lights of focus, nationally, you've got to start off with the presumption that at least the essence of what she's talking about is real.” -Joe Biden

Audio Tape Released Between Corrupt Former Ukrainian President Poroshenko And Joe Biden Discussing Corrupt Activities. John Kerry Also On Tape

!!! FAKE NEWS !!!

If this was so groundbreaking news, why aren't any of the real newspapers reporting it?

Maybe because by not reporting it they want it to appear as 'fake news'? At least that's what I'd do if I ran an establishment newspaper keen to protect an establishment candidate.

I'm just surprised the percentage of those who said they distrust it isn't even higher. Although, as you say, it is a year old.

Actually, this isn’t so “groundbreaking” when you understand that the Democratic Leaders have full knowledge of the skeletons in Joe Biden’s closet! The Democratic Leaders aren’t stupid and they’ve seen the writing on the wall!

A better question _tunic_, why is Joe Biden the Democratic candidate?

Think about it: Warren, Buttigieg, Harris......but Joe is their guy??

WHY???

Why do the Democrats keep propping up Joe????

Democrats know Joe has zero chance against Trump, so let Joe crash & burn in 2020 and then Democrats can start fresh in 2024.

For the individual Senators and Congressmen getting elected, sure, 2020 is sort of a big deal......but for the real power structure of the Democratic Party, the DNC Hillary Clinton is in full charge of......2020 is about long term power and setting up the next 3-5 decades!


(yes choc-E-choc, I’m fully aware of Hillary’s age and the fact she won’t be here in 30 years)

Joe Biden this Friday morning (5-22-20)

BIDEN: "If you have a problem figuring out whether you're for me or Trump, then you ain't black."

The black community just loves being told about their blackness!

Just wanted to leave this here because you know major media won’t be sacrificing Joe and airing this on a loop like they would if Trump would have uttered the same thing.

The modern civil war is between Democrats and Republicans and the war front is congress.

Well the media have definitely got a hold of it. Bit of a silly thing to say by him isn't it. Said months ago I was gonna put £50 on Trump to win the next election. Guess the odds are too short to bother nowm

low information voters ignoring all the policy talk that preceded that line:

Someone really should've reminded him that trying to pander to the Black vote on The Breakfast Club rarely ends well ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-AKUNpcLRg

molehill, meet mountain

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...mments/588067/

semi-annual reminder that when it's coming between the two choices presented, we're screwed.

As of this Sunday morning, Donald Trump -145 to win 2020 Election. $50 brings back $35......a $70 wager would win you $50


The best long shot in my opinion would be Michelle Obama +8000 or Mark Cuban +12500. A $10 wager on Michelle Obama would win you $800 if she won 2020. $10 would bring back $1250 if Cuban won!



The oddest proposition is if Mike Pence will be the Vice President nominees in 2020? If you think not, $10 would bring back $600. If you think yes, $1000 would bring back $100


Last but not least......Beto isn’t even listed : )

bytoed the gambler, all the poorer for it

call me the day he finishes a book and learns actual math