Duh. You think that's a point?

I never stated that Hendrix influenced the Velvets with the feedback and was responsible for their whole sound. That would be ridiculous. The Velvet Undergorund were already making music well before Hendrix was even known. I'm sure he had some bit of influence along the way, but The Velvet Undergound had their own thing. Furthermore, in my opinon, The Velvet Underground put out better records than Hendrix ever did.

I did write this though (it's at the top of the page):
It's just about being cognizant of and giving the respect that's due. I don't know why you have to bring in all this other baggage when it's merely a plain fact to anyone that knows anything about playing a guitar.

I've also written before (when other piss-ants started this same whiny, misinformed brouhaha before) that Hendrix is undeniably the best, and that, in all likelihood, there will never be a greater guitarist...ever.

I know, I was responding to something Rob Instigator posted, but forgot to press the quote button!

Well, anyone AFTER Hendrix does owe him. Like Rob mentioned, he's a revolutionary trailblazer.

Ha!Ha! You tell these hipsters Rob. Classic post! :D

Exactly what I'm thinking, but these half-arsed documentaries make it sound and look like after him there was nothing. Sure if he was 'THE' revolutionary guitarist, he would have brought in a positive revolution to those who play the guitar, instead of countless of lonely men in their bedrooms pretending to be playing at Woodstock. Again, I like some Jimi Hendrix, but there are countless guitarists that I find much more interesting. Sometimes his music sounds like boring guitar-wank to me, and it certainly is not the end of the world.

Yeah, that's so cool how you quote me, but then change your own previous post.

I don't think you even believe that yourself. There are whole areas of rock that owe next to nothing to Hendrix. What about bands like Wire or The Slits?

15 page rolling stone article about two years ago, anniversary of Are You Experienced. Jimi's on the cover of it.

And where did they get the quote from? Lou Reed is a fan of Hendrix, by the way.

You ought to get back to the future, man. The sixties were over years ago.

that is very true, but since NOONE has changed ALL of it, and Jimi changed the most of any guitarist in HISTORY, then he is the greatest guitarist ever. (so far, of course)

I like Jimi. he was a sinistral genius.

however, I think that George Clinton is extremely underrated in comparison.

Funkadelic (not Parliament or Parliament Funkadelic...just Funkadelic) put out far better records than Jimi and his two henchmen did. the blend of rock, soul and blues just sounds more carefully crafted than Jimi's to me.

however, if put head-to-head in a freestyle guitar deathmatch.....Jimi might win. TWO MEN ENTER, ONE MAN LEAVE.

Well, I'd agree with that. But this thread seemed to be going down a path where it was suggested that EVERYONE involved in rock music post-Hendrix owed some kind of a debt to him. And that's something I CAN'T agree with.

anyone AFTER Hendrix known for guitar playing, of course, owes him something...he is either emulated to some degree or he is a force that was reacted against due to a performer's limitations...don't mince my words on purpose...only piss-ants do such things.

The artist builds on the important work that came before and also adds something novel to make their own art valid.

By the way, ever figure out those barre chords?:rolleyes:
http://acapella.harmony-central.com/....php?t=1542416

I think Keiji Haino has a much wilder guitar style than Hendrix ever had, Johnny Marr a more varied style and Lee Ranaldo or Thurston Moore a much more potent way of making you feel dizzy while listening to guitar sounds. And this is to name just a few of the usual suspects (Branca etc etc spring to mind too).

wire and the slits and bands like that owe EVERYTHING to another black guitar master from the USA, CHUCK BERRY.


so between chuck berry and jimi hendrix, you can cover a LOT of ground!!!!

sarrampkrop, how in the fucking world am I supposed to get sources for a rolling stone article that was published years ago? shit.

no fucking shit! where do you think it BEGINS though?
where do you think they all sprang from????
Jimi was blowing minds and freaking out WILDLY while opeople were still singing doo wop.

JIMI

That is like saying that nirvna had a much more varied guitar sound than the stooges. so what?

Even if we took it from the perspective of Jimi Hendrix having started it all (and I don't think he has AT ALL), once you are bettered by the pupil, you cease being the best and pass the mantle on to others. Jimi Hendrix's influence on music is CERTAINLY not as big as some people make it out to be.

So, are you saying that guitar players who choose not to in some way emulate Hendrix are only doing so because of their own technical limitations?

i was looking for rolling stone online material didn't found that but found this, which is an excerpt:

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/sto..._hendrix/print

will post more later


here:

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/13389612/the_new_guitar_gods_john_mayer_john_frusciante_and _derek_trucks/print

this poll is a bit of ass but whatever:
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/sto...ts_of_all_time

Just go and find it!!! Both of you!!!

quote=wiki
Haino formed Aihiyo in 1998, principally playing a diverse range of covers (including The Rolling Stones, The Ronettes, and the Jimi Hendrix Experience), transforming the original material into Haino's unique form of garage psychedelia.

If the slits and wire owe anything to a black musician it's more likely someone like Lee Perry.

atari, Keiji Haino is also a fan of The Doors. I'm not. So what?

This coming from a man that's surgically bound to the edit button. :D

I edit my posts for clarification purposes only and to correct any mistakes.
What you edited makes things deceiving to the readers.
There's a world of difference.


http://acapella.harmony-central.com/...d.php?t=154241

I'm sorry you missed me so much you had to start this thread today, sarramkrop.

whore! that's why i pay you for!

you getting all uppity now?

here's the link, you do the walking:

http://www.rollingstone.com/artists/...ndrix/articles

i want results before lunch. my lunch, which is the only one that matters.

get a move on!

trailblazing guitarists before jimi hendrix:

chuck berry
buddy guy
hubert sumlin
muddy waters
wes montgomery
charlie christian
jeff beck
pete townshend
eric clapton
sonny sharrock
link wray
dick dale
dude who played with gene vincent
lou reed and sterling morrison
t-bone walker
albert king
lonnie mack
not to mention tons of soul, garage, surf, blues and rockabilly dudes.


it's not like hendrix came out of thin air.

plus, FACT: i have a cd of hendrix playing live in greenwich village in '66 and dude was playing straight up r&b/blues with hardly any feedback or anything; it's also interesting to know that this is when the velvet underground were playing out in new york. so i do think hendrix was influenced by the velvets.

Those barrechords aren't getting any easier. That's for sure.

They should be coming naturally to you by now. Your posture must be bad.

I would like to take this opportunity to clarify that this thread was combative long before I ever showed up in it.
sarramkrop, the topic poster with a penchant for gobbledygook, intentionally started this thread to stir up shit and to dredge up tension.
All the same arguments, point and counter-point, have been made many times in many other threads. He's quite the lame-brain to (once again) think that his position is a very strong one.

Yeah, but if you think Sarramkrop is only trying to wind you up, why bite?

No.... hell no.... shit no!
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is there something like "being the best guitarist" at all?
It is not a sport...every educated musician is better guitar player than...for example Thurston...so what? They often sound lame. Derek Bailey is one of my favorite guitar players. Is he better than Hendrix? No, he's just different...uncomparable. J Mascic is guitar super hero for most of us but I'm pretty sure that a lot of guitar teachers wouldn't recommend his technique...
Eric Clapton can play guitar very well...but he simply sucks...
I don't care...most of guitar players are pretty annoying in person..such big-egos...("hey, look out! I can play another Led Zep solo" - "oh really!? I can stick my finger into your nose for 7 seconds, dude!")
omg...
I'm too drunk to give you The Greatest Solution.

Because I can hardly play guitar at all, I tend to listen to guitarists differently to those who can. I'm not especially overwhelmed by Hendrix's technique because, frankly, I'm overwhelmed by almost all guitarist's technique. What I'm left with is the actual sounds/melodies they produce. I'd definitely say that the intro to Voodoo Chile (Slight Return) is one of the most awesome things I've heard on any instrument. Then again I could say the same about the main riff on The Cramps' New Kind of Kick, but noone could describe Bryan Gregory as - so to speak - a 'great' guitarist. Or maybe they could. Who knows?

At the end of all this, we're only REALLY left with subjectivity. Whoever may or may not be the 'best' pales into insignificance besides who you prefer listening to. I'll always prefer listening to Bryan Gregory over Jimi Hendrix. But that's not to say he's a better guitarist.

Man, I'm bored with, well, everything right now. So I declare demonrail666 to be the best guitarist ever, cos I said so, innit. So there. You can all disagree all you want, and that's cool, but I'M RIGHT, DAMMIT!

Ahem. As you were, then.

And with that, I declare the whole matter closed.

Look guys, I just got annoyed at one more documentary that presents the history of rock in such a dull and inaccurate way, and it made it even worse that it's been told by old men who haven't listened to anything new since The Beach Boys or something, but remain all too smug about giving an account of it at any opportunity. Rock music is some of the laziest music when it comes to evolving, and that could be because a lot of its fans are prone to smoking too many drugs and nod like sheep at any notion of cool that has little to do with the finished product, and those notions are thrown at them on a daily basis. I don't like that because it makes it stagnant, and in a way it tells them to listen to the same 4 records over and over again without checking out so much stuff that has been produced underneath it and is just as valid as what's commonly recognized as the best or most representative of the genre. The fact that the perpetrators are generally ageing dudes who still try to follow the dream makes it worse and more depressing. Good post by Everyneurotic, by the way.

I think that all this leads to a sense that Rock music really is a bit dead in the water now, and probably has been for at least ten years now. The interesting stuff is now so divorced from any kind of traditional Rock format that you can only really look at it with a sense of nostalgia.

ridiculous.
listen to wire's guitar riffing. listen to chuck berry's GREAT 28.

Outrageous.
Listen to the production on The Slits first album. Liston to Lee Perry's Armagideon album.