so would you say that the only good bands are the ones that are sigend to large record labels?

have you ever seen some kind of monster?

seems to me that you are getting annoyed over nothing.

No I have never said that the only good bands are signed to big labels

History proves that isnt the case

Nor am I annoyed, I simply gave you the more detailed explanation that you asked for

Sorry if that doesnt sit well

its not that it doesnt sit well. you just seem very narrow minded is all.

If yr lame enough to say this...
What the hell, dude? People have a right to music, music has a right to the people. This guy had tickets to every one of Prince's shows, yet the stupid fucking cunt pop-star freaks out when he's recording it? WHO CARES? That is absurd! Fuck Prince to begin with for being such a shitty musician, and fuck him again for his greedy fucking morals.

Bootlegging Prince isn't going to save the album.
"Legitimate" downloads of full albums... fuck that is a concept I could never wrap my head around. I'm not even old and nostalgic, yet the very concept of it makes me want to vomit. Buy a real record instead of buying/downloading shit-quality, compressed digital computer files to be played on nearly microscopic pieces of wire and metal shoved in yr head and attached to a faulty, handheld slabs of technology.

i dont think it hurts musicians generally its the companies that are not making money. so if an exec of sony doesnt get as much money then i really couldnt care less.

knowing many musicians i can honestly say that they all trade bootlegs and d/l stuff and are all still musicians.

haha that kills me, too...
How Prince actually got legitimate album sales by literally adding the cost onto the ticket and giving them to people at the show without their knowing. That is fucking atrocious.
Hey, The Pits... yr protecting this fucking twat.

By "musical genius," I assume you mean "manipulative marketing genius"? See above and this entire thread for reasons. Prince is a washed-up fucking jack-ass. Have you actually listented to him lately? I hate everything he's ever done, but his new bullshit is literally the exact same crap as done in the 80s. I thought it WAS stuff from the 80s when I heard it. That's not a good thing... at all.

Um I cant seem to find where I said that

Out of curiosity, does ThePits work for a record company? Something about the way you put the argument forward makes me think that you might.

what about wilco? they gave the record away for free and pissed off everybody at their label. fantastic.

i suppose it depends if your into the love of music or just to make money. i prefer the diy ethic but not to the point of idiocy.

i know plenty of people who let others have their music for free. i give mine away and never really see any money but if someone listens to it and says they like it then great, thats enough for me. maybe we are motivated by different things?

The point of the thread was about how seriously artists/record companies are taking bootlegging these days not about Prince per se nor about "saving" his album

And I only listen to live music

No, I've done personal security for bands for about 24 years amongst other things within the music industry

Thats where the insight comes from

I am pleased to say I have never worked for a record company

personal security? does that mean your a security guard at gigs?

No it means personal security i.e. tour security i.e. looking after people

For a musician you dont seem to know much about touring terminology

What are the other things?

Oh shit! He's callin' you out on yr bad touring vocabulary!

ThePits, that was the most retarded thing you've said since, well, yr last post. The only people that require "personal security" are rockstar douchecocks like Prince. Shut up.


Um... what?
I don't even understand what point yr trying to prove anymore. It sounds like yr just thinking up the dumbest excuses to push whatever half-assed argument you think you have.

C'mon k-krack, no need for heavy insults like that. Everyone has to earn a living somehow, right?

....but, but!

perhaps thats because i dont need security. if i book a gig or tour i do it myself.

tour security sounds like the most ridiculous thing in the world.

Spoken only like the truly ignorant can attempt to articulate

I have never done "ego" security for anyone, only for people who were at risk

You are an expert on whether people need security or not how?

And if you dont like what I have to say, or others, dont read it

Oh sorry you dont get attention that way do you

Intellectual property protection, conventional security for gigs, and a smaller company that designs and builds front of stage barriers for tours

We cover on average around 250 shows per year

Yes so ridiculous its made myself and many others a good living for so many years

Because you dont need security it doesnt mean others dont

are you like saxondale?

apart from the security barriers it sounds like you made all those others up.

you should come to a lot of the gigs i go to, people put mini discs and mic's infront of the stage to record it. or go to the p.a and record there. no one minds.

In yr own words... Spoken only like the truly ignorant can attempt to articulate... So yr saying arguing valid points is ignorant? Surely!

Ok, Disney.

But really, Pits, how does it feel to leech off the music-loving community? Do you get off on ruining the enjoyability and fun atmosphere of live shows? When you steal some dudes recordings of a show claiming it for the benefit of music, does it make mama proud?

What fuels you? What motivates you to think that music is solely about money?

You had a valid point?

Where?

Telling people to shut up is a valid point?

Silly me I must have missed that one

Isnt it past your bedtime little boy?

I can see where you're coming from by the sound of what you do, even though I totally don't understand why the majority of bands that would pay someone to defend their intellectual property, have nothing or very little to protect in the first place. Still, it is a legitimate profession in that it exists. It would be a slightly better world if it didn't, but it does exist as a matter of fact. What sort of bands do you work for, if talking about them on an internet messageboard doesn't violate professional discretion?

Sorry, I care what you believe because?

And noone minds in pub gigs what people do

The sort of gigs I work they have a front of house desk where you can run a line from not a p.a.

Err... 3:38PM? Actually, I should be getting ready for work at the moment... so... I guess that kind of counter-acts yr retarded point of "Isn't it past your bedtime little boy?"

I don't mean to brag, but it looks to me like now that you've turned, like so many others, to the "age argument" since you realize I, perhaps younger than you, have better points and agruments. I'll say it one last time, then, just to spite you.
Shut up.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to sarramkrop again.

Naming clients isnt a breach of confidentiality as its common knowledge who I work for in the industry, the current Prince tour, Arctic Monkeys, Rolling Stones, Kaiser Chiefs, Genesis, Police, Feeder, Ash, Kasabian, Hard-fi, Silverchair The Reading and Leeds Festivals, T in the Park, The Isle of Wight Festival, Global Gathering. Thats some of this years stuff

I agree with with you on the comment it would be a better if this profession was unnecessary

It is unnecessary, pal.

And the "clients" mentioned give much insight into yr stupid corporate, money-grubbing views.

When I see a valid point from you I'll answer it

I saw a load of incomprehensible ranting

A bit like a child stamping his/her/its feet in pique

And of course, when faced with points you couldnt answer, the usual childish "shut up"

I'll ask you again, you became an expert in security when?

Your qualifications are?

And a whole industry exists globally but its unecessary and you are the great illuminati who has worked this out?

Hahahahahaha

It doesn't take "qualifications" to understand that music does not need some meathead jock "protecting" "artists". Intellectual property is bullshit, when taken to such absurd levels. You clearly seem to think that since you work, yr job is justified and for the better.
What about the SS?

oh dear oh dear.

sorry that pub gigs are not real enough for you, i suppose its only real when you have to stand in a room with thousands and get a diluted sense of the music with a big box covered in colourful buttons somewhere running the show.

the more you say the more silly it sounds. please continue.

Hmm so stalkers dont exist and organised professional criminal gangs dont rob the music industry blind?

I better go tell the rest of the industry that its all a lie and we can all go home

Thanks

does truncy know about whitney houston??

don't let them rile you Pits.

They dont rile me, its mildly amusing

Thank fek I didnt tell them about the audience with Bill Clinton we are covering in the morning!

Spoke to truncated, she is alive and well and for another bag of fifties will make a guest appearance

What sounds silly is a "musician" who doesnt know what tour or personal security is and doesnt know you take a live feed off of a front of house desk not the p.a.

By the way, they even have front of house desks in pub gigs

Carry on

Oh, I get you. They're pretty much bands that you'd think would be precious about the whole intellectual property thing, simply by the very nature of how they deal with the music business. There was an interesting article on the whole attitude that the music industry has towards mp3 blogs on one of those free newspapers that litter the streets of London every day (surprising, considering the amount of dull celebrity pap that these rags contain). It goes on to try and explain the ambivalent attitude that said record companies have towars the bloggers, the unspoken act of sending these people music from new bands in the hope that an internet buzz takes place, even though the law forbids the uploading of copyrighted material on this or other promotional tools. It's all a bit fucked up, but then the industry is still getiing its head around the whole myspace/ digital distribution of music thing, so it's safe to say that they haven't got too much of a clue about what's going on or what will take place.