No. "Latin" does not equal Santana.

Ok, I've done a bit of research and concluded that Omar Rodriguez-Lopez = Santana +Prog.
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"Carlos Santana is a very versatile musician and his music is a highly successful blend of salsa, rock, blues and jazz fusion."
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"Carlos Santana's band has been swirling blues, Afro-Cuban Jazz, rock, Fusion, and Psychedelic guitar elements into his brand of Latin Rock since the 1960s."
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From Progarchives.com
Poll Question: Do you think Santana is a progressive band?Poll ChoiceVotesPoll StatisticsYes32 [31.37%]No70 [68.63%]

The Shadow Ring already invented it
http://www.myspace.com/theshadowring

^^I liked the first 2 Shadow Ring LPs, but haven't heard anything by them in donkey's years. I'll have a look at their myspace later on.

they've split up now, have you got their first LP?

I've been listening to Cajun and Zydeco for quite a few years now. A couple of years ago I bought a job lot ex-jukebox of Cajun 7" singles from a man in Louisiana.

Alas just about all of my Cajun records went when I sold all my vinyl.

La Valse de Kaplan by the Balfa Brothers never fails to bring a tear to my eye.

Way more original than the average band though.

i don't agree, they're just a math rock meets tortoise, their stuff sounds like it could have come out any time in the last 12 years

I had it, but sold it a couple of years ago, I'm afraid. I used to have their first single as well. I'll let you know if I can find anything by them on soulseek or whatever...

don't worry, i was just wondering if you still had it whether you'd sell it.

i have all their singles, and a few albums.

ha! was wondering when the battles slagging would start....

originality can not be predicted that is why when something blows up, like grunge (gah, wash my mouth.. horrible word) rock n roll, hip hop, punk, whatever the scene is.. it always makes an impact.. its effects are long lasting but the immediate actions are shortlived...... like a punch in the nose. it takes less than a second for the whole action to take place but it will hurt for days.......

fuck knows what will come next, but something will come next and it will be unique, original and get everyone excited for a while.. everyone here will rave on about it and then it becomes popular and no one will like it anymore because we are too cool for that shit......

battles may not be original but they are something that sounds interesting and they rock... thats a fact!

anywhay.. what do you relally want in originality.. everytime someone picks up a guitar or a drum stick.. its just repeating the same standard thing again... everything is imitation, everything is based on human memories... in fact new original music is likely to occour somewhere that hasnt heard or seen modern civilisation for generations... we have become too engrossed at being individuals to the point that we have become the polar opposite of that.. sheep to coin a phrase...

anyway i ramble on...

A lot of the punk that made an impact on the charts when it came out wasn't exactly as original as hip hop. Not that I'm saying that it is all crap, I really like The Buzzcocks, to name one, but I wouldn't say that they are a terribly original band. Originality is not the only thing that pushes music forward.

i wasn't slagging them off, i don't mind their music, it's not my cup of tea, but i don't object to them either, i was just stating that they aren't particularly original band at all.


i disagree, everyone here will only rave on about the next new thing if it's played by scruffy dudes and sounds like it could have been recorded any time between 1978 and 1996

no punk wasnt original.. punk was a young persons take on the rock n roll thing crossed with hillbilly but this was a fresh approach to it. the sex opistols are one of the mostt unoriginal bands ever but yet are classed as being original.. if you get my point.... personal tastes aside....

but then again was hip hop truly original or was it just another version of tribal beats from the african jungle.. rock n roll wasnt original.. it was old blues scales and shit beefed up a bit...

so what is original? what is original in todays sense????

hey toilet, that comment wasnt aimed at anyone.. its was a sweeping statement thats all...

In rock music alone, I like the way some bands are making records that sound fresh, take from the past, yet you can hear that more contemporay non-rock music is an influence on their records too. Battles are ok, they just sound like they try too hard and force the way they play their instruments onto themselves to my ears, it's just an opinion.

To name a few 21th century's band (I'm probably gonna be criticized because "they're not original", but I think they are: Animal Collective, Liars, Gang Gang Dance, Psychic Ills, Telepathe, Excepter, and a lot of things on Paw Tracks, The Social Registry, etc. Fuck Buttons for this year

I think we are going to have music made with programs that organically grow and learn and create their own music, either that or we will figure out a way to make music directly through a neural connection from our brains to a computer or other such device that will aloow for the sounds we make up nin our head to be transmitted or played through a speaker, there by blowing our collective minds.

Psychic Ills might not be original at all but I like them.

With the high price of gas I don't see it will be possible for people to tour so casually as they have. Especially if they are working people. I think there may be a new kind of regionalism, as bands are forced to stick around the homebase. you may think that you'll be able to hear anything thanks to the net but they have Internet 2 coming along soon and the built in "security" in that network may prohibit any music (digital file) that hasn't been vetted by some corporate authority like the RIAA. I believe now you upload your shit to myspace with just a clickbox agreement that you are the copyright owner but I2 may have built in structural "security" that would force users to have all those files approved. I don't know for sure, mostly what they say about I2 sounds to me like Vista, which means it will be SHIT FOR THE USER. And everyone WILL jump to I2 like lemmings because it will offer great video game quality.

Nonsense. Everyone with any recording device like a mini disc/pc sound recorder - editor etc can tape any songs off any website that streams them.

Same thing you can do with podcasts that play bands whose records are more difficult to find just like kiddies used to do with the radio.

Yes, they rock! And I think their mix of ambient segments, tribalism, psychedelism, shoegaze, and all, is original. I can't tell other bands doing the same

Glitch is the future.

The ambient bits that you speak of are basically the quieter, more dilated moments that any shoegazer ever went through even when the shoegazing stuff was out back then, especially in a live setting. Psychedelia is something inherent to 'shoegazing it' anyway, so it's like saying that they're doing more things that they are in fact doing. Innit?

Mouthus
Lamborghini Crystal

xiu xiu formed in 2000

they fucking rule.

I decided to pick this particular post to quote in and amoungst all the guff that's been spread in this thread. There was a 'N Sync record at the arse-end of last century with a glitch section. Pop music has been pillaging electronic(a) music for at least 15 years. There was an Aphex Twin song on a car advert, and a mobile phone advert, in the mid-90s. Listen to any TV soundtracks, and any TV adverts - electronic music is as, if not more, mainstream than 'rock' music. Electronic(a) music hasn't been new or radical (as a means of producing sound) in properly mainstream popular culture since they started using electronic instruments for background in adverts (i.e., sometime around the early '50s).

There's this common idea in rock fans that electronic(a) music is somehow entirely distinct from rock/ pop music, and it's confused me for a while now, because I've never known anyone in the hip-hop/ dance scene who didn't listen to a lot of rock/ pop music - or better, who wasn't comfortable with 'real' instruments.

Also, while I'm about it - there's an awful lot people around here who really need to sort their ears out. T&B hit the nail on the head saying 'Battles are Tortoise with math-rock' except to mention that Tortoise are pretty much responsible for the 'genre' (such as it is) of 'math-rock'.

I think this. I sent a project that I had abandoned to my friend that does glitch and he should yield some results soon.

Here's his myspace page: http://www.myspace.com/timothyduffie

There's gonna be glitch pop soon. And glitch rock.

Everyone get your bit crushing pedals and octave boxes!

Erm......

Even Eve made brilliant use of an AFX influence on one of her songs.

what is "glitch?"

Glitch (also known as clicks and cuts from a representative compilation series by the German record label Mille Plateaux) is a genre of electronic music that became popular in the late 1990s with the increasing use of digital signal processing, particularly on computers. The origins of glitch music are derived from the failure of digital technology. The effects of failure in technology, such as bugs, crashes, system errors, hardware noise, skipping and audio distortion, can be captured on computers and provide the basic building blocks of Glitch music.[2] Often considered a sub-genre of electronica or intelligent dance music, glitch eschews traditional instrumentation, preferring instead the use of mechanized and non-natural sounds. Though rhythm is a central focal point of glitch, the style's various sub-genres range from the ambient to the dance-oriented. [3]


Glitch is often produced on computers using modern digital production software to splice together small "cuts" (samples) of music from previously recorded works. These cuts are then integrated with the signature of glitch music: beats made up of glitches, clicks, scratches, and otherwise "erroneously" produced or sounding noise. These glitches are often very short, and are typically used in place of traditional percussion or instrumentation. Skipping CDs, scratched vinyl records, circuit bending, and other noise-like distortions figure prominently into the creation of rhythm and feeling in glitch; it is from the use of these digital artifacts that the genre derives its name. However, not all artists of the genre are working with erroneously produced sounds or are even using digital sounds.




The overlap between glitch and shoegazer music also includes some artists that have moved away from the song structures and defined beats mentioned above, favouring more ambient forms. The general shoegazer style of pop rock melodies buried under layers of reverberation and distortion is combined with the precise programming capabilities of digital signal processing. Fennesz and Tim Hecker are two notable artists that have received critical praise for their compositions done in this style. The looped constructions of lovesliescrushing, from about 1992, demonstrated a pre-glitch sound. Later, in 2000, the band ventured into the computer realm by translating their signature four track guitar damage into an iMac to produce glissceule and voirshn, dubbed glitch bliss. The duo Belong has also released music of this nature. In addition to comparing them to other ambient or electronic musicians, reviewers and fans also tend to mention the similarities to My Bloody Valentine (arguably the most highly regarded band of the early 1990s shoegazer movement). The primary point of similarity is the emphasis placed on the texture of the music; it appears to play as important a role as the melodies themselves. Also, see Labradford, The Night Owl Cafe Killers, or Little Glitches for similarly ambient/glitch sounds.

beeps and bloops as you'd call it



anyways

That's been written by an American for sure.

And I didn't even read it all.

atsonicpark

Scissor Shock.

He is?

how odd that that shit on wankipedia fails to mention Pole.

My first solo record is probably going to be mostly bluegrass and jazz with smidges of free improv. So the future is clearly 50 years old (although the futurists might have something to say about it).

FOR FUCK'S SAKE YOU CLOTH-EARED RETARDS, ELECTRONIC MUSIC IS NOT A NEW THING.