Yaris
http://www.toyota.com/yaris/

29/35 MPG
Retail $11,550


Jetta Diesel
http://www.vw.com/jetta/tdi/en/us/

http://www.popularmechanics.com/blog...s/4235586.html

$18000-$23000

upwards of 50 mpg, combined highway and city

"Smart" Car

http://www.smartusa.com/

"Pure" model

$11,590

33 city/41 highway mpg

Fuck the "Smart" car.

removing the tax on fuel would only reduce it about 18 cents a galon, which is NOTHING compared to the $2.80 it has risen in the past three years
it would only benefit large corporations that use millions of gallons a year.

drilling offsghore and in national parks and shit is stupid as fuck too, and would only benefit the situation ten years or so down the line, once the exploration is done, the preliminary drilling, the full drilling operationm, pipeline building, refinery work, etc. it also would just benefit the alrge oil corporations that have monopolized our US government.

what? 33pmg? i get that in my old cooper! (not "old" old). and it's got 4 times the volume!

that yaris looks fucking sweeeeeeet.

though the jetta diesel... oh...

so this ultra-low-sulfur diesel won't stink up? and can you fuel it everywhere?

you'll have to forgive me, i have owned only 1 car in the past 10+ years, and know little about them.

Well, I'm so fucking tired of paying $4 per gallon for gas...... however, I've never complained about it, because that won't change anything and it's something I HAVE TO pay no matter how much I bitch -- the fact is, I HAVE TO drive, I live 25 minuters from my job, I don't own a bike, and even if I did it'd take hours to get to work. I'm not willing to do that every night, so I'm not going to bother to complain. People shouldn't complain about things they can fix; driving a car is a luxury, and it costs money. It's not healthy or practical at all in the winter time to ride a bike, but right now when it's 90 degrees out, more people should definitely do that. Including myself -- which is why I'm not bitching.

Everyone needs to band together and stop driving for a couple of days, in fact it should be made illegal unless it's for your job or an emergency.. I see fuckers driving around 25th street in circles all day long for no reason except to show off their badass sound system.

Also, kill NASCAR. That wastes hundreds of gallons of gas per race! Yeah, it's a different kind of fuel than most conventional cars use, but it still wastes gas...

Okay, none of the above would really fix the problem, because we'd still be way in the hole. But it's a nice thought.. to kill NASCAR.

The stupid thing in our community is people doing "car pools" to save gas (not gas prices; just gas; the people still pay the driver who still uses about the same amount of gas driving to pick people up and drop them off as if the 3 or 4 cars had just driven themselves)... ! Not to mention these stupid "punk" fuckers I know who go to the library and ride bikes around town, as a "protest" against gas prices... even though I know some of those kids, and they actually drive to the library with their bikes in the back of their car. What the fuck are they protesting exactly?

Oh, my geo spectrum (which is just a little longer than two guitars taped together) gets 36mpg.

they are protesting, as always, the fact they were not born poor and black/hispanic

it is terribly difficult, to judge by how "angry" subruban kids are, to be a white middle class kid.


ha ha!

im in yr injuns
makin wite peepul

what we need is fast internet & more telecommuting

and we need zoning laws to stop sprawl and promote urban density.

and we need vehicles that you can plugin or run on gasoline, ethanol, natural gas, & various diesels.

and we need to develop power plant technology for coal, natural gas, and nuclear. "clean coal" is an oxymoron right now but the u.s. is rich in coal so we have to find a way to make it work. and nucular power is where it's at, and it's safer than ever, and there are new safer technologies than ever before-- china is building a reactor like that.

zoning does not stop sprawl. what it does is create areas where rich, well to do people can live without being near the poor, working class people. it is a load of shit really.

uh?

Haha finally someone who agrees with me about bannign nascar... XD

And while wer'e at it lets just kill off competitive lawnmower racing?

now who's being a closed-minded fuckhead?


ethanol is more harmful to the environment than gasoline, not to mention it doesn't fucking work.

and fuck those number 6 corn plastic containers that you cant' recycle.

fuck corn. even though everything is corn basically.

and im talking about this yo:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infill

im saying "thou shalt not build outside city limits"

How am I being closeminded?

I'm fairly sure competitive lawnmower racing is an unneccessary fuel wasting "sport" that america can quite easily do with out.

Don't just try to insult me for the first thing I say mmk? It just makes you look like a petty bitch : )

i AM a petty bitch, fool

clearly. XD Its your schtick

no. ethanol FROM CORN is shit. ethanol from sugar is fine. look at brazil.

the technology though is aming at producing ethanol from cellulose-- basically, plant fiber, paper-- imagine making fuel from trash. that's what we're talking about here.

trash, switchgrass, leaves, agricultural leftovers. ethanol burns clean.

it's just ethanol from corn as fuel that sucks balls.

the only ethanol from corn i like is bourbon:

i have learned something new today. thanks.


i'm just waiting for the day when we start firing off compacted blocks of trash into outer space.

And then have to fire other trash balls at them once they start heading back towards earth

except that they won't because space is a vaccuum, there's no gravity and blocks of trash don't have enough weight to fall back to earth

the sun is the perfect place to dump spent nuclear fuel

there is gravity in "space" or the earth would not orbit the sun, it would fly off in a straight line. also blocks of trash fired into space are essentially placed in orbit around the sun as well, meaning they will come back eventually.

Haha I was reciting the plot to a futurama episode : p

oh. that. you memorized?

i havent seen that in years. it used to be kinda funny.

DOH!

again, did i hear someone say Giant Garbage Incinerator?

there IS gravity but not nearly as much as on the earth. in simpleton terms there is none.
the sun's mass is greater than the earth's so everything in this solar system is pulled towards it (there's another gravity bit there)
so no, it won't come back to earth.



and i don't watch futurama because they always learn some kind of morally centered lesson at the end and i'm not into it.

well now there are exceptions sometimes

Haha I just remembered a basic plot outline its not like I recited the script.

And to cantakerous: WEll its usually based on universal morals rather than some sort of agenda so it doesn't really bother me.
South park on the other hand...

hahaha
that was tasteless

people started selling bits of shrapnel from that one on ebay

I hate it when smoke leaks from the joint.

I hear/read that often, but I don't agree with it.... If governments reduce the tax on fuel then that only means that the oil-procucing countries in the Middle East can raise the price with a similar amount again, because the demand would stay the same.

You'd rather have your money end up at your own government or at the hands of these people who have so much of it that they don't even know anymore which kind of silly things to do with it next?



There's no going back anymore, especially not with the large economic growth (and therefore car use) in places like China and India. Instead of bitching about fuel prices people should see the opportunities the current situation provides to finally make alternatives (hybrid, public transport, blablabla etc, etc) economically viable. Alternatives that should've been there for a long time already if it wasn't for the low fuel prices we've had until now.

Transportation costs money, people! Natural resources aren't infinite!

Fine, call me a hippie. I don't care.

dubai is fucking ridiculous

whosever idea it was to build all that shit ought to be shot.

If the price NEEDS to be this high, then why are oil company profits going up..?
SHouldn't they be staying roughly the same if they are having to raise prices in order to stay afloat or whatnot?
Something fishy is and always has been afoot.. XD

HIPPIE.

you're right though.

because they're a bunch of greedy pigfucking liars.

Indeed.

I think you mean the shuttle that broke up over texas.

there was no e-bay when challenger blew up.

just sayin'.

well no oil is a commodity and subject to price fluctuations not always dependent on the cost of production.

if you feel like reading up, here's an intro-- ignore cheezy ads around

http://tfc-charts.w2d.com/tafm/