Sonic Youth Gossip

Sonic Youth Gossip (http://www.sonicyouth.com/gossip/index.php)
-   Non-Sonic Sounds (http://www.sonicyouth.com/gossip/forumdisplay.php?f=4)
-   -   Unblack Metal (Christian Black MEtal!!!) (http://www.sonicyouth.com/gossip/showthread.php?t=29271)

Rob Instigator 02.06.2009 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acousticrock87
Satanism took both the cross and the pentagram and turned them upside down to exploit Christianity and Wicca. How is this different? If an ideologically opposed group happens to like the musical style of its "opponent," what would stop them from using it?

Not only is black metal as a style of music wholly separable from its associated ideology, but it makes more sense for Christianity to use it in response.


WICCA was fully made up in the 1950's-60's

satanism has been around afr longer than that.

acousticrock87 02.06.2009 03:00 PM

You're right. Replace Wicca with Pagan. Either way, Satanism inverted the pentagram from some existing religion.

Rob Instigator 02.06.2009 03:05 PM

what is scary is that it does not matter whether god or satan exist, but what people BELIEVE exists. They will act upon those beliefs regardless of validity.

saw a young guy on First 48 who murdered and raped 3 or 4 women, each time doing it as an act of worship to his lord satan. what can be done about people like that?

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 02.06.2009 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
what is scary is that it does not matter whether god or satan exist, but what people BELIEVE exists. They will act upon those beliefs regardless of validity.

saw a young guy on First 48 who murdered and raped 3 or 4 women, each time doing it as an act of worship to his lord satan. what can be done about people like that?


You must give love, for people like that only become killers because they were not properly loved. all hatred and negativity stems from a lack of love and understanding, and people only become monsters when we let them..

acousticrock87 02.06.2009 03:21 PM

I don't take pity on men of his kind
Even though he now takes it in the behind

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 02.06.2009 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acousticrock87
I don't take pity on men of his kind
Even though he now takes it in the behind


pity is not quite love..

acousticrock87 02.06.2009 03:25 PM

I know. I wasn't disagreeing with you, I've just had that song stuck in my head for two days and had an opportunity to use it.

Rob Instigator 02.06.2009 03:26 PM

suchfriends is right though. that poor guy was so fucked up... I feel bad for him, but to know that such people exist and have so much hurt in them that they seek to inflict as much as possible back at the world... that shit is rougher than the stupid norwegian death metal bands, with their wanna be kiss makeup

acousticrock87 02.06.2009 03:32 PM

What's so weird for me to think, is how we become so wrapped up in economic equality and treatment and ethics and all that--and I'm all for economic equality, etc., don't get me wrong. And yet there is misery in every class and position. Sometimes I wonder if we approach things the wrong way. Does starvation kill as quickly as depression? I don't know. There's so much wrong with everything.

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 02.06.2009 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acousticrock87
What's so weird for me to think, is how we become so wrapped up in economic equality and treatment and ethics and all that--and I'm all for economic equality, etc., don't get me wrong. And yet there is misery in every class and position. Sometimes I wonder if we approach things the wrong way. Does starvation kill as quickly as depression? I don't know. There's so much wrong with everything.


love covers a multitude of sins.

A lack of love is what kills us, and many of the poor and starving live on forever because they have a life full of love, whereas many folks die by their own actions living in a world deprived of love and understanding..
the only way to save lives and improve the quality of the lives of the living, is to give unbounded and unconditional love. it is the foundation of being a human being vs being a robot

"nobody says, anything on buses, and thats why people kill themselves!"

gmku 02.06.2009 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous
fuck yeah, even when they fucking suck terribly i ALWAYS support artists by taking their crap with a genuine smile and sense of appreciation, put out your art is not easy in such an artistically deprived society that is completely bombarded with commercial advertising and product placement..


well, I am offended musically first by crappy music and sleazy-self-interested record company people..

as a Christian I am less offended because I do not discredit the faith of others, and as Paul explained, even if Jesus is preached by those with some kind of bullshit agenda, I give praises that at least Jesus is being spoken of at all!


As a humanist, I feel the least I can do to edify these poor bastards about how intensely I dislike them is to not open their free samples and then open-faced lie about how I did open them and how great it is, all the while hoping it shows on my face that I'm out-and-out lieing and I wish they'd bugger off.

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 02.06.2009 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gmku
As a humanist, I feel the least I can do to edify these poor bastards about how intensely I dislike them is to not open their free samples and then open-faced lie about how I did open them and how great it is, all the while hoping it shows on my face that I'm out-and-out lieing and I wish they'd bugger off.


oh, I will still tell you your album sucks or not, as a Rastaman I am honest above all else, however I will still take your crappy album off your hands just the same.

gmku 02.06.2009 04:28 PM

See, I'd rather be dishonest and leave them guessing, or better, knowing that I'm a liar and that I will go to hell and cannot be redeemed.

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 02.06.2009 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gmku
See, I'd rather be dishonest and leave them guessing, or better, knowing that I'm a liar and that I will go to hell and cannot be redeemed.


redemption is universal, based upon grace and not deeds, so you can be redeemed liar or not, and whether you even care or not, that is beauty of grace.

gmku 02.06.2009 04:34 PM

I don't wanna be redeemed.

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 02.06.2009 04:35 PM

you just say that out of your ass now, as most people have said, you can never have too many saviors

gmku 02.06.2009 04:40 PM

Jesus died for somebody's sins, but not mine. My sins, they only belong to... me.

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 02.06.2009 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gmku
Jesus died for somebody's sins, but not mine. My sins, they only belong to... me.


"If I thought heaven was this good I would have put a bullet in my brain years ago.." (Al Bundy at the sports bar with the chicks in bikinis)
"Hell, if I thought you had a chance to get in I'd do it for you buddy" (Jefferson)

PAULYBEE2656 02.07.2009 02:18 PM

 

the ikara cult 02.07.2009 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous
redemption is universal, based upon grace and not deeds, so you can be redeemed liar or not, and whether you even care or not, that is beauty of grace.


Thats a despicable sentiment in my opinion, and one of the most pervasive cases of subtle relativism that worshipful impulses allow. We all want to be judged as being good as if its some kind of right that doesnt have to be earned, and religion controls this wish for comfort masterfully.

Thats also what Christian black metal is about i imagine, seeing as the ideology would encourage its adherants to identify themselves with their enemy in some way and the individuals involved probably have a stormy relationship with the church but still identify as religious.

Lurker 02.07.2009 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jerry Garcia
Do Christian rockers have groupies?


No, but their roadies are nuns.

Lurker 02.07.2009 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by noisereductions
I'm not really sure why a band's religious preference should play into what you think of the aeshetic of their musical output. I dnt think you need to be into Scientology to like Beck (or Flyentology to like El-P for that matter).


Bands like these allow Christians to listen to metal.

sarramkrop 02.07.2009 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lurker
YouNo, but their roadies are nuns.


You always post stupid things. Are you stupid?

Lurker 02.07.2009 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PAULYBEE2656
 



Haha, brilliant! I love Father Ted.

Lurker 02.07.2009 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the ikara cult
Thats a despicable sentiment in my opinion, and one of the most pervasive cases of subtle relativism that worshipful impulses allow. We all want to be judged as being good as if its some kind of right that doesnt have to be earned, and religion controls this wish for comfort masterfully.



True

Lurker 02.07.2009 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sarramkrop
You always post stupid things. Are you stupid?


Yes. I was kicked in the head by a horse when I was ten.




Seriously though, what's wrong with making a joke? I was replying to a joke. Do you think that asking if a Christian band has groupies is a serious question?

_slavo_ 02.07.2009 05:19 PM

No mention of Horde in this thread as of yet?

By the way, an interesting thread, an interesting thing to think about.


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:28 PM.

Powered by vBulletin Version 3.5.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
All content ©2006 Sonic Youth