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sonic sphere 03.21.2009 05:35 AM

someone burned me a skrewdriver album. does that make my collection racist?

atsonicpark 03.21.2009 06:28 AM

listen to mudoven!

gualbert 03.21.2009 06:42 AM

Sonic Youth are racist.
They don't show America's ethnical diversity.
Plus they're sexist: they don't show the sexual diversity enough.

atsonicpark 03.21.2009 06:53 AM

you just told a stinkin' panty lie.

Florya 03.21.2009 07:11 AM

I'm not too keen on Michael Jackson - should I be out burning crosses?

sarramkrop 03.21.2009 08:27 AM

My record collection isn't racist. I am to an extent, in that sometimes I can't listen to music made in certain countries because it annoys me, then it changes and I'm back to not being racist till I become racist again. It's also fairly homophobic and very mysoginistic, which isn't that bad considering I hardly ever pay attention to lyrics.

sarramkrop 03.21.2009 08:29 AM

I own some Gary Glitter records too, which I enjoy, every now and then.

Glice 03.21.2009 06:06 PM

I'm surprised that no-one's done the hand-wringing exersize of saying 'music doesn't really belong to a race'. I mean, there's African traditional music - that's of black people, and I think you'd have a hard time being a half decent kora player from Barking, but I don't think there's any necessary race to it. Or dancehall - it rarely works if the person singing is from anywhere other than the WIndies. But that's not necessarily about it being 'black'. I have a mate who's black, he can't dance for shit and he's too nice to get a girlfriend, and that's because he's from a particular background.

ALSO there are more races than Black/ Japan

So my smart-arse cunt answer is 'there's no real 'race' to music'. Although I do own, and listen to, a Prussian Blue record.

pbradley 03.21.2009 06:13 PM

There is no genetic support for the concept of race.

Glice 03.21.2009 06:44 PM

There's no genetic support for gravity either. I still fall over from time to time. Explain THAT, science man.

the ikara cult 03.21.2009 06:55 PM

if i dont believe in the concept of racism, does that mean i can still be racist?

Sheriff Rhys Chatham 03.21.2009 10:02 PM

My record collection is pretty white but my listening habits aren't.
Just take a look at my recent plays(past few weeks) on my last.fm

pbradley 03.21.2009 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glice
There's no genetic support for gravity either. I still fall over from time to time. Explain THAT, science man.

Gravity is obviously a matter of chemistry, duh.

RanaldoNecro 03.21.2009 10:27 PM

I don't really like black music post the civil rights movement. freedom fucks with the funk.

agreed. Wasn't the original concept of Jazz as like a secret language?

sarramkrop 03.22.2009 01:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glice
I'm surprised that no-one's done the hand-wringing exersize of saying 'music doesn't really belong to a race'. I mean, there's African traditional music - that's of black people, and I think you'd have a hard time being a half decent kora player from Barking, but I don't think there's any necessary race to it. Or dancehall - it rarely works if the person singing is from anywhere other than the WIndies. But that's not necessarily about it being 'black'. I have a mate who's black, he can't dance for shit and he's too nice to get a girlfriend, and that's because he's from a particular background.

ALSO there are more races than Black/ Japan

So my smart-arse cunt answer is 'there's no real 'race' to music'. Although I do own, and listen to, a Prussian Blue record.


I'm not surprised you din't notice I pointed that out already.

wellcharge 03.22.2009 01:43 AM

i think i only have 2 japanese releases, seikatsu kojyo linkai(it's on thurstons freejazz top 10) but i mostly picked that because ahmed abdullah is on it, and the yoshimi single on ecstatic peace which sucks.

i was going to buy a melt-banana album once but i didn't have enough to cover the tax :(


but i saw mighty crown soundsystem once and was the only pale male in da house

amerikangod 03.22.2009 02:29 AM

One time I was in a record store and, while looking at a particularly shiny Dead Reptile Shrine LP, saw the reflection of the black man behind me in it. Does this mean I'm not racist?

amerikangod 03.22.2009 02:31 AM

And now for some apt Crass lyrics:

"They said that we were trash/ Well the name is Crass, not Clash/ They can stuff their punk credentials/ Cause it's them that take the cash./ They won't change nothing with their fashionable talk,/ All their RAR badges and their protest walk,/ Thousands of white men standing in a park,/ Objecting to racism's like a candle in the dark./ Black man's got his problems and his way to deal with it,/ So don't fool yourself you're helping with your white liberal shit./ If you care to take a closer look at the way things really stand,/ You'd see we're all just niggers to the rulers of this land"

wellcharge 03.22.2009 03:03 AM

if you guys want to feel unracist, you should vote for gipsy.cz in eurovision this year, and the song is less awful than most of the others anyways!

Toilet & Bowels 03.22.2009 07:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by amerikangod
And now for some apt Crass lyrics:

"They said that we were trash/ Well the name is Crass, not Clash/ They can stuff their punk credentials/ Cause it's them that take the cash./ They won't change nothing with their fashionable talk,/ All their RAR badges and their protest walk,/ Thousands of white men standing in a park,/ Objecting to racism's like a candle in the dark./ Black man's got his problems and his way to deal with it,/ So don't fool yourself you're helping with your white liberal shit./ If you care to take a closer look at the way things really stand,/ You'd see we're all just niggers to the rulers of this land"


crass have a sort of point but they're saying it in a stupid way

demonrail666 03.22.2009 07:10 AM

This week, I shall mostly be listening to music by African Americans. I'm extremely excited.

DeadDiscoDildo 03.22.2009 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toilet & Bowels
crass have a sort of point but they're saying it in a stupid way


You had a point too but your wording was placed in a stupid way. :-)

demonrail666 03.22.2009 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by amerikangod
And now for some apt Crass lyrics:

"They said that we were trash/ Well the name is Crass, not Clash/ They can stuff their punk credentials/ Cause it's them that take the cash./ They won't change nothing with their fashionable talk,/ All their RAR badges and their protest walk,/ Thousands of white men standing in a park,/ Objecting to racism's like a candle in the dark./ Black man's got his problems and his way to deal with it,/ So don't fool yourself you're helping with your white liberal shit./ If you care to take a closer look at the way things really stand,/ You'd see we're all just niggers to the rulers of this land"


Those lyrics reminded me why whenever I try to listen to Crass, I always just end up giggling.

DJ Rick 03.26.2009 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RanaldoNecro
I don't really like black music post the civil rights movement. freedom fucks with the funk.

agreed. Wasn't the original concept of Jazz as like a secret language?


That's the original concept of every new expression in music.

Does freedom fuck with the funk? As much as the erosion of arts and music educational programs in underfunded schools where so many black children must go to school?

As antidote to this sad fact, I recommend that next winter, when BET televises the Grambling versus Southern U. football game, you watch the halftime show.

Rob Instigator 03.27.2009 09:41 AM

parliament funkadelic

Rob Instigator 03.27.2009 10:14 AM

so by this demographical definition, would a collection which included mainly motown/stax/blue note artists be racist too?

Toilet & Bowels 03.27.2009 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by demonrail666
I listened to an MF Doom album earlier and didn't flinch once. Does this mean I'm not racist?

no.

floatingslowly 03.27.2009 11:59 AM

is it racist if you only hate white people?

to me, that's not racism, that's just common sense.

sarramkrop 03.28.2009 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by floatingslowly
is it racist if you only hate white people?

to me, that's not racism, that's just common sense.


Would Madonna ever want to adopt another African child if she wasn't able to wipe the flies off his/her face? I doubt it.

Bertrand 03.28.2009 12:37 PM

I've just listened to Gitogito Hustler, from Japan, again and I love them.

But they were on an American label, and played rock'n'roll; apart from the delivery of the lyrics, it's not that far from what I hear the most (US and UK), except that I like it a lot.
So does it really count that they're Japanese?

I'd add that I despised most French singers when I was younger, for I have an aversion for all that Parisian cliché (Pigalle + accordion and stuff). The sole French artists present in my discotheque don't sound like French to me (Phoenix, les Calamités).

So I guess my group of records look a bit "racist" in that respect.

ZEROpumpkins 03.28.2009 07:00 PM

I only recently got into hip-hop, prior to that the one non-white people in my record collection were Miles Davis and Jeff Parker from Tortoise.

Not that that was a deliberate decision haha, just every single alternative/indie band is white.


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