oh and one more thing about SHITSUCK Family Guy, why oh why is every other joke on there a TIRED joke that has been told at least 200 times since the 80's? they still make jokes about the breakfast Club for christ's sake! they make jokes about pat benatar!!!! FUCK! at least the simpons stays timely.

such anger about a TV show...

i concur though, family guy did not make me laugh.

I I could I would grab every single person involved with the making of that show, every producer, every person who works for any and all companies that advertise on that show, and anyone who is standing too close to that show, and I would crush theyr larynxs with my heels, shit on their eyes, rubbing it in, causing those horrible infections you can only get from having shit rubbeed into your eye, then I would take a 9 iron to their genitals, and then I would......

and this is from a guy whose favorite TV shows include such tame fare as antiques roadshow, bargain hunters, victory garden, Nova, Scientific American Frontiers etc... Can You Imagine if I was not so well-balanced?

If you weren't balanced, I'd actually rather see you more towards the larynx-crushing side, just cause the antiques roadshow side seems so bloody boring...

poor manatees.

i likes learnin'.

nobody? NOBODY?!?

dude, I stopped watching SNL a few years ago because I just don;t care no more!

I sort of agree (though to hate a show that much is a waste of precious energy). However, Seth McFarlane says, "I'm still fuckin' rich." And I would have to concur.

SNL is actually on it's way up right now. Some excellent talent came in this past season, and Tina Fey left. So it should rock next year. However, as far as overstaying its welcome, I'd have to say that's not possible. If you rewatch the original few seasons and consider them to be funny by today's standards, you're simply nostalgiac and delusional. Which is fine. But the point is that SNL is a staple of American culture, regardless of how bad it does.

I kind of judge whether I watch SNL based on whether the host appeals to me or the musical guest. If neither does, I don't really bother watching. I guess it should be about the writing, and whether I find it funny or not, but I don't really. And to be honest maybe never have. I do love catching the SNL of the 70's, Chevy Chase, John Belushi, (the orginal "not ready for prime-time players"), yet now-a-days, I just base it on host and/or musical guest. SNL is pretty hit-and-miss.

What I hate is when SNL has sport stars, or even worse, polititians, hosting the show. They can't be funny, or even act for that matter, so it just brings the whole thing down.

I thought it was funny when Al Gore hosted.

I stand corrected :)

I thought the best politician to host was senator john mccain. he was hilarious. very self-deprecating, very good sense of humor.

I may have to give the new cast a shot this upcoming season!

http://www.tvsquad.com/2006/06/22/ne...tral-for-real/

New futurama 2008?!?

Half of the actors and actresses that host the show aren't funny, and can't act either. So what is the difference?

well, the difference is that, yes, they usually can :)

Which do you have more disdain for, Rob...
Late Night with Conan O'Brien or Family Guy?

just wonderin'

conan's my fave late night guy.

Conan and Ferguson are close. Ferguson's monologues are so consistantly amazing, I really can't put him below Conan. But I do laugh at Conan more.

Meet the Press really jumped the shark when Tim Russert made untoward advances on Condoleeza Rice.

Remember that time McNeil gave Lehrer head behind the modesty panel?

"i can't grow a beard :("
he's so cool

Conan's support of the incumbent actally influenced that recent election. That was funny stuff when he went to Finland & got involved with that dispute between those two friends.

Haha that was hilarious.

"...This isn't actually her, this is just our assistant. She won't come out...She's really pissed...I don't...I don't think they're ever making up..."

that reminds me of the daily show atari. which is one the best things on tv

I hate the Family Guy with a vehemence fit for Top 40 radio.
Conan O' Brien, the talk show, I fucking hate with the rage and intensity of ten suns.
I hate Family Guy more though.
Conan is a funny guy, and he wrote some of the all-time classic simpson's episodes, the genius ones that had weaving plotlines and such. I just cannot fucking stand to hear him interview anyone or tell jokes or laugh at himself with that fucking ivy league assshole smirk he gets when he is uncomfortable interviewing. (george bush has that same smirk)
he makes me want to shove a screwdriver in my eyes, and i LOVE my eyes.

I went over to the message board & found this link of the video segment
http://www.nbc.com/nbc/Late_Night_with_Conan_O'Brien/video/finland.shtml
from Finland. It was the number one topic at their board when I went over there, with most people wanting to know when it will be rerun.
posted by Pernod

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Re: Conan Goes to Finland 3/10! :
A NEW "F" word from the Old World ....
Nothing could be finer than to be in Helsinki strolling down a snow-swept avenue to the continental strains of "Czardas" played on a xylophone by a street musician (a Finnish gypsy), but little did Conan know of the disappointment that lay ahead as he endeavored to visit Finns who had sent him cards inviting him to call. Entering an austere residential building with a long corridor at the end of which were three doors, Conan first knocked on Ammi's -- no answer, then, Sorri's -- no answer. Desperate, Conan knocked at the third -- Forss Fagerstrom's door .... again no answer. "Fagerstrom, are you in there?" called Conan. Silence. Conan made his way back through the deserted corridor and once back out on the street, stood in front of the building calling out, "FAGER-s-t-r-om .... FAGER-s-t-r-o-m", but no Fagerstrom appeared. As he walked away, Conan's "F" word hung in the icy Finnish air ....

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nbc.com is going to have exclusive, short "webisodes" for The Office soon...
there have already been 5 web-only shows of "amazon fishbowl with bill maher"
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...295405-4200168

I watched most of the pilot of the Maher show. ^ I had read about this some time ago & then sort of didn't make it a priority after that. As always, Bill is pretty good, but still slightly askew. In pains me to think that Amazon supports net-neutrality, as does Mr. Bill Gates himself. Google opposes, bless their googly hearts. The House passed it already. The Senate was supposed to vote on it Friday, but has delayed their verdict (after all, GW is definitely signing---hence the reference to the word "verdict") until this next Tuesday. watch it
shake
watch it
rise
watch it fall

yeah, I get Instigator's trepedation vis a vis the Co-Nan...Just wanted to say that since I respect him. Lordy, I recall when he was first on the air how (as I put it before a good while ago) Conan appeared like a deer caught in the headlights. To draw a Bush comparison (with Rob hehe), Conan looked worse than Bush did post-9/11 as far as not really having all his marbles & coming off as uncomfortable to the point of appeating unprofessional even.
But that shows you something. He is like one of the editors of the writing department which is hit-&-miss, although they do come up with funny bits from time to time & Conan has now come into his own as a talk show host. Watching his show (which I do everytime of Craig Ferguson barring the rare exception due to a guest), the main thing is that Conan is (in your assessment ballpark here)...cheesy. Primarily so in the monologue when he does the "really great show" thing in a manner of a po-mo Ed Sullivan if you will...robotically repeating nearly the same lines every night & so on in the manner of a florida used car salesman. That smirk...yeah I've seen it. Funny how those little facial communications can trigger aggression. I've experienced it myself. It's like it's wired-in almost. It's like we know more than we think & the only way to know it a little is to know that you don't know anything, but, I digress.

Whew! Hey, Family Guy is much better with the sound turned down & listening to a Pylon show. You can kind of make up your own childlike narrative as you watch the images if you're out of your mind like
me.

What's with all the hatred against Family Guy? I think its great! Its just so fucking random...

Ch

can i nutshell it?


Rob brought up a point about a Family Guy Pat Benatar joke before...Now, a really funny moment on South Park was wen Mr. Mackie was wasted singing "Love is a Battlefield"///FG writers made their lame joke that was not even in the same context based on this (well, probably...we are in the realm of my own whacked out theory, after all)///but it is known that all the primetime animated shows rip each other off in some way. For almost a decade it was just The Simpsons being lifted from, but now that show even does it too.
but the jumptheshark site is sometimes funny...stumbled across it a couple of years ago or so

I love Battlestar Galactica, and the season finale was mindblowing, but it jumped the shark right before that.

I never watch the Simpson's anymore, they bore me. I find that Family Guy drags their jokes on for way too long, but some people like that I guess?

Pokemon? huh? huh?

Th Simpsons was a brilliant show for the first 9 seasons of it's run time. I grew up on The Simpsons and as bad as it is now, I can never stay mad at it. I just lament what has happened to such a wonderful show. But once season ten started it went right down hill. The problem was and is the show writers have changed and the producers have changed. The "new" writers had no talent and since the Simpsons had already done everything they had nowhere to go. So what you got was just watered down characatures of what the characters used to be. It's just relying on the stereotypes of the characters. None of them grow and they just become stale.

Now as for South Park. I love it! I grew up on this show. I really did. I was in fifth grade when the show came on and I haven't stopped wathing it since. It's still a funny show, but it's becoming less amusing the past three or four seasons. It's become too preachy. I like how they took on the social commentary edge, but my god, it's like every episode is a parody of contemporary American culture! The commentary used to be much more subtle and funnier. The show used to be about everday kid stuff with funny little potty jokes and the wonderfully recurring death(s) of Kenny. It seems to me that Trey Parker ran out of ideas for the show and just decided to change the format of the show into a parody of real life events. Not such a bad idea, really. His insights into the problems of American politics and culture is well thought out and rational, but it's just too much. They've sacrificed their wonderfully lowbrow sense of childish humor for zany social commentary. They should mix it up more. I don't want every episode dealing with some stupid thing going on with this country and abroad. If they started killing off Kenny again I think they will become a little bit more interesting again.

Now for Family Guy. It started out superb. I thought it was going to be the next Simpsons or South Park. It really brought an even zanier, cruder style of animated sitcom to prime time tv. I know it's derivative of the Simpsons. I won't deny that. But Family Guy has the balls to go where The Simpsons had never gone. The first three seasons were my favorites. They were in top form. But once the show was cancelled by those Stiffly Stiffersons over at the FCC (who can all fucking go to hell in my opinion) the show lost it's momentum and never quite regained it. Three years off the air really took it's toll on the writing ability of the staff. I think that the show is still funny but not nearly as relevant and shocking as it used to be. It's become too popular now. It used to be a huge cult success. Now it's just a staple of youth culture. Not that I'm really complaining, but doesn't it feel better when you feel that something you really like is only liked by a comparitively small number of people? It's like a dirty little secret that only you and a few others know. It feels really good. But no matter. I have also noticed that the show really falls back on a few gimmicks: they constantly veer off into flashback scenes of some completely off the wall scenarios involving non-sequiter gags. They are almost always sparked by one of the characters saying "like that time when you...", or "I haven't felt like this since..." or "this is worse than the time..." and they go of into some weird sketch. It's funny most of the time, but the show too frequently visits upon this gag. It gets kinda annoying after a while and one bad gag of this kind can ruin a whole show.

The next gimmick they fall back on (too frequently) is the constant pop culture references. Mostly from the 1980's, which may I say is the worst decade for pop culture references along with the 1950's. I was just a child in the later half of the 80's (I was born in 1986, but I have a very excellent memory and understanding of the decade's pop culture and political landscape) but I get most of the references. Nothing is really lost on me, I just hate them. I hated the '80's!!!! It was absolutely one of the worst decades of the 20th century. I'm glad I was just a small child for the remaining 4 years becuase if I had been a teenager, I think I probably would have killed myself. Then again, I could have had the opportunity of seeing some really great bands in their heyday. But that's beside the point.

Ah, in summation these shows have jumped the shark in these ways and blahdy blah blah....

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I absolutely LOVE The Daily Show and Late Night with Conan Obrien. Two of my alltime favorite television shows. Conan is the true king of Late Night. Fuck Leno and Letterman!!!!!!

Jon Stewert for President in '08!!!

I Love Conan Obrien! I Am Going To Marry Him. Not Joking.