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atsonicpark 06.25.2009 02:24 PM

I love Godard now. Really gotten into him in the past month. Very inspirational to me......... Week End melts my mind so bad.

Just got A WOMAN IS A WOMAN and CONTEMPT. Can't wait to watch em...

gualbert 06.25.2009 02:26 PM

Aah..
New Wave!

atsonicpark 06.25.2009 02:28 PM

Fucking amazing:
 

 

 

 

atsonicpark 06.25.2009 02:31 PM

Regarding my comment about Pierret Le Fou being inspirational to Kitano earlier in this thread.. I'd like to mention that the plot of Hana-Bi is almost identical.. don't want to give it away, but basically.. two people steal some money.. murder-suicide.. on the run... having silly fun while all this violence happens around them... beach shots!... etc.

Also, "staring-directly-into-the-camera", something Kitano does on every single film... which is like my favorite thing in the world... Did Godard invent that?

gualbert 06.25.2009 02:52 PM

I've watched A Bout De Souffle a long time ago, and thought it was good, but not great.
Then I watched Le Mepris and thought it sucked.
Then I watched A Bout De Souffle again and realized both were the same movie.
The big difference being: Belmondo is cool and charming, Seberg is lovely and charming, Piccoli is pretentious and boring, Bardot has big boobs but she act quite bad.

atsonicpark 07.30.2009 06:59 AM

“It's over. There was a time maybe when cinema could have improved society, but that time was missed”. - Godard

Tokolosh 07.30.2009 07:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by atsonicpark
Also, "staring-directly-into-the-camera", something Kitano does on every single film... which is like my favorite thing in the world... Did Godard invent that?


No.
It's called 'breaking the fourth wall' and The Marx Brothers were the first to use it in films that had sound. It's a device that prior to them,
had only been done by filmmakers in silent films --for obvious reasons. Stories were told very differently back in those days.
The language of film was in it's infancy and actors had to literally spoonfeed the audiences into understanding the plot.

chairman of the bored 07.30.2009 09:45 AM

gaulbert-i disagree with you that breathless and contempt are "the same movie", but alot of godard's work can definitely be seen as a continuum; always working with similar ideas done with different approaches, or different ideas done with recognizable approaches.

staring into the camera has probably been done since the lumiere brothers were filming their documentaries, but godard's use of it is pretty killer. i guess what made it stand out for him was that he would disrupt the whole narrative to have one of the actors ackowledge the camera and/or audience.

i do think godard was the first to film so many scenes with the camera staring at the BACK of peoples heads (vivre sa vie)

atsonicpark 07.30.2009 11:43 AM

Ah, that's what I meant, not that he invented people staring into the camera, but the way he would incorporate that into his movies to show emotional depth. He would completely interrupt the storytelling with scenes of that... Like that scene in Pierrot where Anna Karina's character says "of course" and looks at the camera... almost makes me want to cry, in all seriousness. That's what Kitano does too.. to convey "emotion", he'll have the characters stare directly into the camera. It's a neat trick.

I've noticed some other weird tricks Godard employs often. Some are obvious (the title screens), but some are a bit weirder. I've noticed he often plays with the sound in his films, more than any director I can think of. He won't simply let a track drone on.. it's odd. Take that scene in Weekend where there is a long story about eggshells and cum and dog bowls and all that weird shit. The most suspensful, abrasive, weird music will play at random times, out of nowhere. What was up with that? In fact, that whole movie is so purposely abrasive as to be ridiculous. Maybe that's why I love it. A FILM FOUND IN A TRASH DUMP. THE END OF CINEMA. Haha. Also, he often incorporates brilliant silence into his movies.

I found out recently Godard has 94 films.

90 fucking 4.

Strangely, almost the entire focus on him is films he made at the beginning of his career. I'll admit, I haven't seen anything past a certain point yet, but some of it is hard to find! I have shit like "For Ever MOZART" and "Detective" in my netflix queue. Very curious...

Skuj 07.31.2009 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by i am the arm
as long as we're being film snobs...

1. WEEKEND (this movie is so fucking awesome i can't believe it, scares the shit outta people)
2. Alphaville
3. Band Of Outsiders
4. A Woman Is A Woman
5. Contempt
6. Tout Va Bien

i still gotta see Breathless...


Why why why must Godard fans be "film snobs"?, goddammit......I hate that notion, that cliche......

I've immersed myself in Godard over the last year.

-his later works are criminally overlooked.
-my fav is Pierrot Le Fou.
-but Notre Musique, Detective, and Helas Pour Moi are right up there for me.
-Godard may confound, repel, disgust, infuriate......but he will never bore.
-there is so much more for me to discover. Thank you for this thread. I'll now read it carefully.

Skuj 07.31.2009 09:46 PM

I forgot that I posted earlier in this thread, LOL.

phoenix 07.31.2009 09:53 PM

I LOVE all the Star Trek next gen series, I really can't choose one episode.. and all the movies were just as good.. he really is the best captain.

o wait.

Skuj 07.31.2009 11:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phoenix
I LOVE all the Star Trek next gen series, I really can't choose one episode.. and all the movies were just as good.. he really is the best captain.

o wait.


Your avatar defies this.

phoenix 07.31.2009 11:21 PM

I am a girl of many tastes..

chairman of the bored 08.01.2009 10:44 AM

I cant wait to see his later stuff! I've seen almost everything up to week-end and i now have everything after that in my netflix.

atsonicpark 10.06.2009 09:38 AM

1. Pierrot Le Fou
2. Weekend
3. Oh, Woe Is Me
4. Notre Musique
5. Breathless
6. Tout Va Bien
7. 2 or 3 Things I Know About Her
8. In Praise of Love
9. Contempt
10. Detective

something like that.

gmku 10.06.2009 10:52 AM

I like almost all his stuff.

evollove 10.31.2009 07:35 AM

WARNING! SPAM ALERT:

I'm selling three Godard DVDs (In Praise of Love 2001, Soigne Ta Droite! 1987, My Life to Live (Facets edition)) and three Godard VHSs (Numero Deux 1975, Comment Ca Va? 1976, La Gai Savoir 1968).

All are ex-library copies, so they have annoying stickers here and there, but all have been used rarely and are in pretty good shape. PM for details.

(Also have a small Heidegger collection for sale)

Trasher02 10.31.2009 07:42 AM

A bout de souffle! Most definetly.

ni'k 10.31.2009 08:02 AM

it's good to see so many people have seen le weekend. he's making a new film at the moment in which alain badiou will give a lecture in an empty cruise ship apparently. this gives hope that he has revised his previous opinion that cinema can no longer improve humanity. i've always been curious as to why he said that. was it an attempt to rid himself of artistic obsessions because of at the time he felt direct political action was what was needed and art was too much of an indulgence or was it just a reactionary cynical comment? i haven't read enough about it but i do know that at one point he gave up film all together to concentrate on politics.

ni'k 11.01.2009 12:08 AM

its called socialisme http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhqOF...eature=related

Skuj 11.01.2009 01:39 AM

Yeah, shit, I'm impatiently waiting for the new one, gaddammit.

His later stuff is overlooked, and needlessly overshadowed by his 60s work. I have a box-set of 80s/90s works which is JUST AS ENGAGING / BAFFLING / BEAUTIFUL as any of his other works. The man just fucken amazes me.

atsonicpark 11.01.2009 06:41 AM

Yeah, OH WOE IS ME is just amazing, I think that was '93? I tend to like his later work better, def. Notre Musique.. fuck!

!@#$%! 11.01.2009 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ni'k


odessa steps

+

patti smith

+

a decrepit lemmy caution lookalike


=

YES!

i wanna seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

atsonicpark 11.02.2009 08:02 AM

Does anyone have King Lear?...

ni'k 11.02.2009 08:19 AM

it's supposed to be here http://www.thepiratebay.org/tor/3653526/
according to http://freakyflicks.50webs.com/

i downloaded it years ago from that site but the link isnt working now.

there is more godard on that site tho.

atsonicpark 11.16.2009 09:02 PM

here are Godard I own: Alphaville, Pierrot Le Fou, In Praise of Love, Notre Musique, A Woman is a Woman, Breathless, Keep Your Right Up, Detective, Oh Woe Is Me, Contempt, Passion, First Name: Carmen, Number 2, Comment Ca Va, La Gai Savoir, My Life to Live, Band of Outsiders, King Lear (finally got the torrent!!), Weekend, Made in USA, 2 or 3 Things I Know About Her, Historie(s) Du Cinema box set, and his television show called Tour/Detour or something like that.

So, yeah, if anyone wants to hook me up with anything else, pm me..

slut 11.16.2009 09:14 PM

seen most of Breathless. I need to get that out again, but it was cool. It's always talked about as being pioneering blah blah blah but it had substance.

Skuj 11.17.2009 01:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by atsonicpark
...... a) La Gai Savoir, .......b) Historie(s) Du Cinema box set, ......


a) is a strange motherfucker isn't it? I need to reattack that one. It fucked me up, and I got downright pissed off, and yet, I want to see it again.

b) I read so many glowing reviews about this.....what's it like for you? Monumental?

atsonicpark 11.17.2009 04:20 AM

Re: B, I just ordered it from ebay for $30 so I have no idea what it's like. Watched some stuff from it on youtube and it was pretty fucking awesome looking.

I really like the Tour/Detour thing he did. It's on ubuweb but you can't "easily" download it like you can most of their stuff, so I just went to view page source and copied the links into my browser. It's some weird television show he did and is pretty similiar to a lot of the stuff he was doing at the time.

Really really want something he did called THE OLD PLACE and JLG/JLG - AUTOBIOGRAPHY IN DECEMBER (a vhs of this is going for like $130 minimum everywhere I look). Found a few torrents but they're dead.

a-p a. niemi 11.17.2009 04:04 PM

atsonicpark you have this: http://www.ecmrecords.com/Catalogue/ECM_Cinema/5001.php ?

atsonicpark 11.17.2009 04:30 PM

Oh, wow, no I don't. Region 0 even? Thank you, gonna have to order this!

Anyone know roughly how much in american dolls
€ 33,90
 
 
would be?

a-p a. niemi 11.18.2009 03:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by atsonicpark
Anyone know roughly how much in american dolls
€ 33,90



 



 
would be?


About 50$.

atsonicpark 11.28.2009 08:59 PM

Okay, I have all of his main films (and a lot of his shorts) now except for novelle vague and germany 90 years later, which my friend is copying for me.

This guy is my favorite director. His films have so much depth. I can't even explain it. I'm not gonig to pretend I "get" everything he's saying in his newer works but they're all amazingly beautiful. I've probably watched PIERROT LE FOU 20 times in the past 6 months.

ni'k 11.28.2009 09:22 PM

i bought le weekend dvd o a whim in hmv one time, thinking the cover looked interesting, man i remember watching it for the first time and just being so completly floored. it doesnt have the same effect as that first time. when i rewatched it later the piano scene was different from my memory, i have a different version of the piano playing going on in my head that i want to record some time.

his use of music is exactly how music in films SHOULD be played, the only other time ive seeen this done right is in old anime were the siilence over certain scenes that would be have music on them in hollywood is striking.

i have high hopes for socialisme and badiou's appearance

atsonicpark 11.28.2009 09:27 PM

yeah, weekend was the first one i saw too, reccomended to me by netflix and it blew my mind, never had seen anythingl ike it before, had no idea who godard was. it's getting re-released by criterion sometime in 2010, should be interesting...

seriously, the freeway scene and that scene where she talksa bout cracking the egg in her vagina... man!

Skuj 11.29.2009 01:13 AM

atsonic, marry me. I adore Pierrot. I never tire of it - my fav Godard amongst the many I've seen. I've viewed it about 6 times in the last year. It's so beautiful.

I just got Made In The USA, 2 Or 3 Things and A Married Woman in the mail.

I never saw Weekend yet, and I'm thrilled about the 2010 Criterion news.

atsonicpark 11.29.2009 01:19 AM

Haven't watched A MARRIED WOMAN yet, though I have it sitting on my shelf. 2 or 3 Things and Made in USA are both mindblowing in their own little way. 2 or 3 Things is definitely one of my favs, that shot of the coffee cup alone makes the movie.


I just watched his KING LEAR and it's awesome, one of my favorites. I can't even describe this one. First of all, it's all in English. Second of all, it has Peter Sellers, Molly Ringwald, and Woody Allen in it. Third of all, it's Godard's most insane film by far... the distant son of Shakespeare is trying to reinterpret his works, or something, and this has to do with random seagull sounds all over the soundtrack and a guy obsessed with xeroxing his own hand. Some of the droning and most awesome music I've heard, sprinkled with a few Shakespear quotations... two of the actresses walked off while making this film and Godard just replaced them with new actresses and doesn't really exlain anything. This movie is just completely insane and essential...

!@#$%! 11.29.2009 06:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ni'k
it's supposed to be here http://www.thepiratebay.org/tor/3653526/
according to http://freakyflicks.50webs.com/

i downloaded it years ago from that site but the link isnt working now.

there is more godard on that site tho.


i'll wait for the release and/or DVD-- i hate shitty vidcaps, pirate cams, and slow bittorrents.

film needs you know it needs the vivid spectacle of the circus

i want a fucking 50" screen i do i do... oh capitalist pig i am!

atsonicpark 11.29.2009 11:13 AM

I read that for it'll never be out in america on dvd because of some rights thing but who knows.


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