no, I think yr confusing hippie cologne with Schlitz..

1. patchouli isn't awful, and I smell of it right now. it is in my nightly bath oil.

I dont know if that is the scent you are after though. Generally a mix of tobacco, cloves, and herby booze is acceptable goth stench. I suppose patchouli could be part of the mix. :confused: You could try carrying off a whiff of roses and moss though..

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NO. it is not. has not. how ridiculous. emo evolved from one kind of music and an image reliant on retro sweaters and nerdsville tight dark blue denims to a look involving some mish mash of glam punk goth. Probably an image created by some guy in a fancy chair, somewhere.. who decided it would sell.


and 3.


no, not really. Maybe just less conspicuous since it isn't such a popular media image right now. There are still hardcore old school goths, at least where I live.. all 'subclasses' and whatnot. There are those that don't dress to that 'scene' anymore, but are still a part of it. There are young ones that are just as involved in the same classic goth night/clubs as the oldschoolers... In all honesty it's probably better this way. I'm no hardcore goth, but I much prefer hearing 'nice boots!' to 'what the fuck are they?' The only time in public I wouldn't get the latter, is if I was in a group. I only dress up when in the company of similar minded dressers now. Maybe I'm boring. My weird magnet never really eased off and it's tiresome to explain and glare after years of raised eyebrow looks.

hold up there. I did not say that emo evolved from goth. I said that goths adapted and evolved into emo. there is a world of difference.

perhaps, but also completely untrue. 'scene' and 'emo' in the pop culture sense is 98 % under 18 yr olds. There is definately a real emo music culture, but it has nothing to do with the kind of kids that hang out at the starbucks I used to work at. They are also not evolved goths.

wiki is fairly concise and similar to what I'd write;

emo (pronounced /ˈiːmoʊ/) is a style of rock music typically characterized by melodic musicianship and expressive, often confessional lyrics. It originated in the mid-1980s hardcore punk movement of Washington, D.C., where it was known as "emotional hardcore" or "emocore" and pioneered by bands such as Rites of Spring and Embrace. As the style was echoed by contemporary American punk bands, its sound and meaning shifted and changed, blending with pop punk and indie rock and encapsulated in the early 1990s by groups such as Jawbreaker and Sunny Day Real Estate. By the mid 1990s numerous emo acts emerged from the Midwestern and Central United States, and several independent record labels began to specialize in the style.

Emo broke into mainstream culture in the early 2000s with the platinum-selling success of Jimmy Eat World and Dashboard Confessional and the emergence of the more aggressive subgenre "screamo". In recent years the term "emo" has been applied by critics and journalists to a variety of artists, including multiplatinum acts such as Fall Out Boy and My Chemical Romance and disparate groups such as Coheed and Cambria and Panic at the Disco.

the fact that the word emo is in the thread is irritating.

So many people are so miss guided.

I don't wear my goth attire much in 'regular' haunts, because I do get the 'hey emo kid' jeers. no. just no.

poison by dior or variations thereof, not patchouli.

No liz vicious pics yet?
oh, how I miss Every-e...

Where I live you get to hear things like "Are you practising black magic?" or "Satanist! Sinner! SINNEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEER!"

here's liz vicious with a dick

what teh hell is that

thank you for dragging this thread back from hell

i am sure its delightful on you, i just remember sleeping in bed of someone who had it abd couldnt get it off me for a week.

honestly I'd much prefer that, because at least it would be funny.

camgirl/am porno

it is a very 'sticky' scent. my boyfriend complains sometimes if I come to bed smelling too strongly. It's like glitter, it just gets everywehre.

ok where are her balls

holy shit, i just noticed the lack of balls, i knew something was off
good going knox!

While goth fashion, like punk before it, has always been intentionally conspicuous, I feel like the increasing obsoletion that has since come to a head and has now passed has lead to a new conspicuousness but in this obsolescence. In other words, the beginning and middle of this decade was a kind of climax of a kind of reflection upon the then-state of subcultural ideology and aesthetics that now, at the end of the decade, has reached a dénouement. At least, for me. Perhaps its old age but I can't say I've grown out of it as I was never really in it.

plainly it looks very dated.

i'm goth

I would say that all subcultural ideology is very dated, particularly in the normalization of the internet by equalizing access to information which, in turn, flattens cult identity. Everyone can be a little goth, a little punk, a little metal, a little sophisticated, and so on. The new "in the know" is a conflation of all of these that has made, you know, the rebellious stance of dressing up as the next thing at school entirely "out of the know."

Imagine the 80's having the internet as it is today.

totally retro

mind. fucked.


everyone should just be themselves, i think.

black t shirt with a pocket and dark straight leg jeans every day, what does that make me? boring? i can't be arsed to wear costumes every day anymore.

Fashionably outside of time?

i think the word you're looking for is lazy.

i look alright though. i don't really feel the need to identify with a particular subculture. i like a little bit of everything but since i can't be everything i guess i'll just be nothing.

Yeah, I think a lot of people are coming around to that everything/nothing... uh... thing. About time, too.

Goth is my favorite type of music. The good old school stuff. The scene did a lot of changing in the 90s and went completely to hell. There's still good stuff around but you have to look in the right places and know what you're looking for. GSL had a lot of great goth stuff when they were still around. Miss that label.

As a fashion, I used to dress REALLY goth, and it slowly crept out of my wardrobe. What's generally thought of as goth nowadays had too little to do with what I was into....if you go to a goth club in my city, it's not Bauhaus or the Sisters of Mercy playing, it's VNV Nation or Combichrist. Terrible terrible music, and the people there were just...the worst. And all those hideous clothes! All the pvc and wings and fake dreadlocks...ugh. Was never about that to me, I just loved the music...and without even that I left the scene behind. I dress pretty plainly now. I can't imagine going back to that stuff, though now I DJ my own goth night here, without all the tackiness, drama, and stupid shit that follows goths around. It's much better.

Thanks for pointing that out. Another reason why I got kind of tired of the local goth scene is the music! And I'm not talking about VNV Nation or Combichrist (I think they are actually pretty good, just not what one would consider "Gothic"). I'm talking about terrible, repetetive Aggrotech and Harshsounds like this pile of shit here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9st3hTyfUo

Last month there a was bigger event with a lounge and a big floor though. They played all the good oldschool stuff in the lounge.

goths back in the day >>> goths now








these are alright with me though

madame !@#$%! was a highschool goth in the mid 90s

we keep a couple of her old cloth items for kicks

I couldn't agree more. I'm old school goth. Would you say The Cramps were old school goth?

are you taking the piss?

The Cramps? I don't know if I'd say they were goth, but they're definitely goth friendly, especially on the deathrock end of the equation.

My wife found this website yesterday. Total lulz.

http://godhatesgoths.com/



Also check out the other sites linked to this, like God Hates Retards.

gothiccruise.com CHECK IT

goths plundering the eastern edge of the roman empire in the balkans during the gothic war of 376-382.

According to wikipedia the band inspired many of the early goth rock bands.

There is still a goth scene in L.A. and Combichrist, and techno, electro, and all sorts of EDM is always played at these club.