in the words of tyler himself, "nigga gotta eat".

truth.

holy shit have you guys heard "Yonkers" ???????

i posted about it on the last page dumbass.

has anyone heard the lykke li remix? that's GOOD.

:( my bad.

yeah I got that today too.

hahaha I'm just playing.

i might be the only one but i find odd future boring as hell

okay.

you probably are. They're easily the most interesting hip hop group I can think of since I dont know when. i'm not talking about "skills" or whatever. That shit's subjective. But there's no denying that they are compelling. Which is opposito of "boring."

i don't find it compelling at all, it's teenagers trying to sound hard and dropping punchline after punchline over what sounds like teenagers trying to make madlib beats. the raps are like a mix of camron and mf doom(in a bad way) and i don't see how they can get big when someone like hell razah or sick jacken is better in every possible way for my standards.

they're not bad but they aren't interesting or memorable at all

okay.

then why are so many of us interested in them? Even many of us who have spent a lifetime binging on hip hop?

every performer has people interested in them, that doesn't mean anything, i obviously didn't say you don't find them interesting so i have no idea what you're getting at


personally i'm not interested in the rape fantasies of a nerdy 16 year old at all

okay.

yr interested enough to keep posting in a thread about them.

okay so the new Tyler is coming out on XL recordings. one album deal thing.

seems like a good fit.

The beat on that new Tyler track is sick. Really really addictive.

Having said that, I kinda wish a gay rapper (or anyone, really) would step up and create a counterpoint/dialog to this bullshit empty shock posturing Odd Future seem to be getting away with. Why, lyrically, is talking about faggots and bitches still considered revolutionary? I don't buy this whole "I'm only mirroring my reality" bullshit anymore - there's an asymmetry to a lot of their lyricism that feels really tiring. And i say this as a die-hard hip hop fan. I guess there's been slightly less overt homophobia in mainstream rap and it now becomes acceptable and edgy to start railing against faggots? Whenever pitchfork indie culture machine et. al writes about hip hop, it's always treated as some kind of subaltern place, like they need to change their critical lenses or something since they're so unequipped, or they're afraid to touch on issues like political economy without it looking like white tastemakers admonishing "black art." I wish there were more artists producing WORK that critically engages with this stuff.

I'm actually working on a track called 'fuck odd future'. I love Odd Future and I'm not offended by anything but I think that the idea is good enough and the rhymes are gonna come out so I'm doing it. Fuck no homo, I'm so homo.

see? This is actually interesting feedback. Well articulated. Not just haterade. I can feel that.

I'm not sure Odd Future has a lot to do with "keeping it real" as much as they have to do with "keeping it really what's in our teenage daydreams" or whatever. It's all American Psycho and pr0n.

but I understand what yr saying.

I've actually wondered about the gay rapper thing. Is there such a thing? (I mean openly gay of course). I can't think of any. Which is not to say that they don't exist, but I mean just at any level of "overground" or at least minimally known-about underground... is there any openly gay rappers?

(go ahead -- insert Lil Wayne joke here. I beat you to it. Now let's get serious, cuz I'm really curious)

I'm unaware of any. I'll have to be the first.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDsvbRYwG2A

Pick Up The Mic - Documentary about GLBT Hip-hop. I guess i have to watch this.

it's weird that hip hop might be the only genre I can think of that nobody has come out of the closet. Don't you think that's weird?

It's mighty peculiar. However, with it's many gang life and street life affiliations it makes sense. Typically these guys are in gangs before they even develop fully, and coming out of the closet isn't usually encouraged in gangs.

That's certainly not ALL hip hop but I guess it might make someone seem less 'hard'. I'm way more hard than most straight faggots I know, though.

It's mighty peculiar. However, with it's many gang life and street life affiliations it makes sense. Typically these guys are in gangs before they even develop fully, and coming out of the closet isn't usually encouraged in gangs.

That's certainly not ALL hip hop but I guess it might make someone seem less 'hard'. I'm way more hard than most straight faggots I know, though.

i haven't seen the interview but apparently fatlip admits to being bisexual

really?? Wow. Interesting. I had never heard that.

Wait, are you sure you're not confusing it with the interview where he admits that he unknowingly made out with a dude that was in drag? I remember that interview being on that Spike Jonze DVD. Part of the Making Of "What's Up Fatlip."

tyler has said he doesn't hate gay people at all, he just likes the word 'faggot'. uhhh.

well that was my understanding as well. I think it's a sort of ignorant/juvenile use of the word, which plays into their personas.

Yeah, he uses it in a meathead way that is no different from what exits the mouth of some troglodyte when he beats the fuck out of some gay kid on the street. After the 1950196th time you use it, you are complicit in the narrative of violence against queers that continues to oppress. Caricature or not. This shit applies to Odd Future as much as it does to fucking Francis Harold and the Holograms or Brainbombs. That narrative is still giving the average dumb consumer teenager in America a big high, like it empowers them, it's hard, they see it as something radical. I think Tyler should be free to say whatever the fuck he wants to - but there should be critical engagement. I'm not saying he IS 100% a homophobe, but I get a bit irked that he's blowing up along very old, very tired prejudicial tropes.

There ARE queer rappers. Queer cultural production is still pretty fringe, but in hip hop it's extreme. I know of House of Ladosha, Sissy Nobby and a lot of his crew from New Orleans, Le1f, Sin, Yo Majesty!, and a couple really local underground people in the NYC/Philly area who are very involved in the ball community (see: the film Paris Is Burning, an essential though dated film and I have issues with representations in it, but that's a whole other conversation). I think a lot of the gay MCs I've come across are speaking to a very local, exclusive audience - just by virtue of who is going to understand half the shit they're talking about. I'm gonna find some good tracks for everyone and post them here.

"while you rhyme about being hardcore be heartcore."

well i haven't read where he says it, but apparently he has also admitted to sucking dick for crack,i've heard about that a few times but never found good info on it

I think I remember that being mentioned on the Spike Jonze DVD too. Maybe I'm wrong. It's been a lot of years.

I find the best thing to do with this issue is to imagine that 'G' always stands for 'gay', and then hip hop is instantly full of openly gay anthems.

hahahhaha that's hilarious.

C'mon kids, fuck that class and hit that bong.

'A true gay, that's me, blowing like a bubble'

Tyler and Hodgy Beats on Fallon

http://pitchfork.com/news/41608-watc...n-performance/

Its great