Good. He's OK. I just like Carline and Hiller. I wanted to mention them.

my tutor took us to see a show by her last year, it was one of the most pointless and dull things i've ever seen. it was just scraping the barrel of the holocaust, she may as well have written "Jews, Germany, draw your own conclusions."

this is the thing by tracey emin that i like

"I've Got It All"

Are you guys sure you don't like her work, 'cause I've got the feeling it's her cuntish face that pisses you all off? :D

She's like one of those really annoying girls who wants to appear kooky in order to get some attention and whenever they don't get they go:''Oh but i'm a girl!'' if you ask me.

a friend of a friend of my housemate went to art school with emin and he told me she must have told him the story of how she got an abortion about 50 times over the course of 3 years.

I'm not surprised.Did you watch her on tv when she was pissed on that Will 'my cuntish' Self program?

no, what happened. will self is a twat too.

It was on one of those channel 4 'art wank chat' programs that Will 'you shut your gob' Self presents sometimes.She turned up so twatted and in an agrressive mood so the other guests and the host himself kept on ignoring her and at one point she went like:'' you don't know anything and i'm gonna go and call my mum'' and left there and then.Highly entertaining.

I think Tracey Emin's very cool as an artist and as a person.

The Holocaust stuff was serving a purpose, I thought. I like all of her work though.

She totally lacks substance.AND.THAT.IS.NOT.BECAUSE.SHE.IS.A.GIRL!

I like her subject matter (forgotten memories, life after death, all that).

Oh totally.No argument about that.She comes up with things i have interest in myself but the problem is in the way she executes them.

if you're talking about hiller then the only thing of hers i've seen is that thing i saw last year (the renaming of streets thing), is that indicative of her work in general?

I think she uses found objects in a very interesting way; I find myself drawn into other people's little (unknown) histories by her works.

Agreed.

There's also sitting in the pub chatting to strangers for that.And it's not overpriced clutter either.

But the people in her works are people from the past whom I'm never likely to meet. I'd almost certainly never have encountered their stories any other way.

I'm a bit confused.Who are we talking about here?

Susan Hiller. At least, I am.

Oh,allright then.I'm not familiar with her work so i can't say.

Bump! Just for you Brian.

hmmmm.... kiss kiss

I wonder what Mr Sewell would make of this board? "Ugh, a bunch of pseudo-intelligent riff-raff pontificating about the issues of the day. How truly unpleasant."

i virtually like nothing that tracy emin has done.

shock art has been done to death and art movements are only relevent when they have something original and worthwhile to say

fuck this shit

I disagree. Fluxus, Dada and the Aktionists all spring to mind. All, in part, sprang out of a desire to resist the (then-contemporary) stoicism (in the pejorative sense) or austerity of the art-generations prior. An incredibly blithe statement, but even so, regardless of the worth of the art movements, it's the quality of the work that's important. Dada or surrealism are interesting to me because of the latent violence, the implicit reactionary/ counter-reactionary element, but I don't necessarily think they have particularly 'worthwhile' things to say. Or, better, art exists in a continuum; there is no purely 'original' art.

If it makes you feel comfortable the last word of this post will be cock.

Cock.

Yeah, I understand the continuum of art so I'll give you that. But I find those movements to have been worthwhile by bringing something to the table via their philosophy; dada's embracing of the irrational in the face of the soulless war machine, surrealism's embracing of dream imagery, fluxus' breaking down of media boundaries. Those are all worthwhile to me. This stuff is just contrary as far as my untrained eye can see.

And to counter your cock; vagina.

See, there have been a handful of Stuckist things that are alright. I can't remember any of them, but someone showed me a picture once. I quite like a fair few YBAs. I quite like a few people who aren't YBAs. The point isn't so much that vacuousness is good, it's that no particular ideology (or a no-ideology) is good in and of itself, it's what a personartist does within certain frameworks (or lack of frameworks). I'm starting to sound like fucking Heidegger now so I'm going to stop.

I'm just going to pop in and say that Sol LeWitt, Jenny Holzer and Frank Stella can all eat a giant bag of dicks. Or they can each eat an individual bag of dicks if they don't want to split one.
This has nothing to do with anything.
Umm, cock.

My opinion = Tracey Emin - some stuff=alright.
Hirst = cunt. Stuff=mostly shite.

Stuckists = yes, painting is good but don't bloody go on about it. Plus, they are comically reactionary ie "you're not an artist if you can't paint". They're obviously looking for a reaction.

any real artist has better things to do than to argue what is and what is not for the sake of it.

their art exists, simply. it just is.

I agree.
I also think people tend to spend far too much time talking about "bad" art that they hate, instead of talking about the artists and art that they do actually enjoy. The bad* art receives ridiculous amounts of press, and the good is ignored.


Explain yourself sir or im going to come to your house and project a bag of dicks onto your wall. va-jay-jay.






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*It's Not Bad Art, It's Just My Brain Hurts

OK, I will use this opportunity to use Holzer's super-limp "concept" against her.


This is art, now. Remember that.


Conceptual artists whose tiresome medium of choice is the cryptic sentence need to go away.

I'm sorry. It is not "confrontational," "challenging" or "thought-provoking." It is dumb. And incredibly regurgitative.

go see some dieter roth hes dead now but he was pretty hardcore for his day and age