awesome sn/post combo hip priest.

I would just like to add that the poll was not "are you a communist", more, "if you were, which one would you be?"

well no type of communist government has born any kind of likeness to what marx stated in his theory. capitalism will end one day (not in our lifetimes) and something bearing a close resemblance to what marx wrote about will take its place.


oh but HP you've got the heart of a socialist

i'm the type that really doesnt know the difference between all the ones on yr list there.

As long as we are talking about theoretical situations that don't have to work in real life, I'll go with anarcho-communism.

I have to ask: What on earth does that mean? I do try hard not to slip into any socialist ways.

Free Enterprise Capitalism is the only form of government that actually mirrors nature. It allows the individual through trial and error to make their own mistakes and to learn how to correct them with their own volition and possibly be successful.

The problem with America is corruption which has crippled the proper functioning of this system. It's true that Marx foretold this corruption and a rise of the proletariat, but it's also true that communism is even more easily corruptible since there is no representation at all.

Under socialism and communism, the individual has been negated to a cog in the machine that has life all figured out for them. It's inhumane, despite what ignoramous so-called utopians want to tell/SELL you. I suppose Toilet wants the government to be just like his home life with his mommy taking care of his sorry ass. It's not that he cares about any oppressed people, it just that he'd like to bring everyone else down to his level.

Yeah, I made it personal. Yeah, some of you may not see the point. The point is that the asshole won't leave me be, so he gets a reply that tells it like it truly is. Anyone here can expect the same if they decide to be impious with me. He'll probably try to turn the tables now, and claim that it's he that takes care of his mother which is bullshit considering she no doubt owns the property.

You topped yourself there,atari.How long will it take you to actually understand what you read?

--Except that we all know that intelligence, hard work and dedication don't add up to shit in many, many cases.

you just seem like a charitable, kind and thoughful guy, qualities i would ascribe to a true socialist

How nice. I'm a bit stuck for words now. My own feelings, working with socialist types, is that charity and kindness are non-political: I share the same goals and morals as these people, I just differ strongly on how they should be achieved, especially by government. The issue of liberty and personal freedom is a major one for me too.

I said I could be no type of communist because socialism means less liberty and less freedom, more controls and more taxes. Oppression, basically.

The rough idea of anarcho-commune has some merit but again, anarchism is something I see as having nothing whatsoever to do with left-wing politics, since it involves the freedom and empowerment of the individual. That doesn't happen in a socialist system.

I´m not a communist
but i´d like to have the beard of one



Maybe if i vote for the communist party here in austria next weekend
they´ll give me one as present.
That would be very social.

You've made your non-communist stance clear. A true communist would surely never ask what the state could give him, but what he could give to the state? THe state, of course, never asks for anything; it simply takes everything.

Well,let's put it this way: A true communist would be working pretty hard at eliminating the very existence of the state.

It's sadly true that America is not much of a meritocracy in its democracy. This is why we need a constitutional amendment to limit terms of office to crush conspiratorial corporate corruption. But you get what you deserve. If any of you Americans truly cared, you would already know this and be expressing it accordingly.

In representative democracies, this is ultimately the people's own fault.

It's sad that what you've written is true. It's truly unfortunate that people are mindless drones for the most part that are overwhelmed by their feelings of helplessness and the resulting apathy.

and marx stated for some very logical reasons that i can't remember that the only way to successfully implement communism was through revolution, but there's absolutely no call for revolution in britain at the moment so i'm biding my time. and before people say that china and russia had revolutions but failed as communists that is because they tried to jump straight from fuedalism to communism, which is a flawed stratagy, for some other very logical reasons that i can't remember, plus they had centralized governments which also goes against what marx said. if i hadn't lost this book i used to have i could explain the logic behind all of this instead you'll just have to take my airey word for it.

Not to say that communism can't possibly exist and flourish in one or two nations only .Either you get the complete dictatorship of the ploretariat globally or forget about it.

What I commonly hear is that Marx was a genius and that it was when his theories were implemented into an actual government under Lenin that there was corruption that sullied his perfect system.

I feel this is stretching the truth a great deal, because in acuality, all Marx did was copy Plato's Republic and adapt it to the labor issues of his time. Of course there was the more contemporary influence of Kant as well. Marx and Kant may seem different in their views, but they actually share many similarities.
http://ndpr.nd.edu/review.cfm?id=1445

The Republic that Plato describes from the dialogues with Socrates outlines a utopian state, but bear in mind, that was for a time in ancient history. Ancient Greek democracy was a splendid innovation, but there was already corruption and so when the question was put to Socrates on how to govern, he explored the matter philosophically. Many of the mechanisms that cause democracy to fail to bring about justice are exhibited in the story of Socrates' trial and death before the Council of 500 Athenian citizens as the jury because it shows how the elite patrician class used spin control and preyed on people's fears to manipulate the opinions of the common rabble.

I consider myself a bit more of a marxist than the others. I'm fond of maoism as well, though.

Oh really?Well obviously atari hasn't done his research too well today.Ever heard of Hegel?Do you get this sort of stuff from comic strips or something?

I know Hegel well. He is evil. Kierkegaardians like myself despise Hegel. Much of today's corporate culture of corruption rationalizes what they do according to a very Hegelian ideology.

Stop being a dick. I will outclass you every time. I will demonstrate that I can apply knowledge every time.

Hegel is also very indebted to Kant's nonsense.

Well well,how else would historical materialism have refined its therotical basis if it wasn't for Hegel?Evil?Anything but,my friend.

Apply your knowledge to this sentence again and make it understandable for people who have decent grammar.

It's called a typo because I am busy making money and answering phones and working, little boy.

I think it's time I put the pseudo-intellectual porkmarras on my ignore list.

I'll go ahead and throw in Glice for good measure.

They spout nothing but rubbish anyway.

You've already failed on a few accounts there,mister.

wuss.

Go suck a dick.

Added to ignore list:

porkmarras
HaydenAsche aka the ungrateful little pussy boy that can only criticize typographical errors because he knows nothing
Glice
Toilet & Bowels
Cantankerous


You people don't exist to me anymore.

Oh, how I love the word fag.

Shall us banned posters start a club? Atari is being a little bitch. What did Glice say do him? I'm sure it was entertaining and I want to read it.

I'm sure you just wrote something very dumb, little queerbait.

Oh, I did, old man. Don't pretend you aren't reading this. You may have us on ignore but I'm sure you're reading every post.

I'm sure he is,the little fag.

He's a terribly entertaining little cumrag sometimes, though. I'll still send the old man Xiu Xiu. Mostly because I need to spread the Jamie love.

This kid, Haytin' Assche, he knows I can fuckin' spell. He's known me from this board for over two fucking years, but yet he tries to look superior for calling out a typographical error I made. Go ahead, tell me I have a typo, but don't then throw in that everything I write is incorrect just because I made a fucking typo. The kid, HATIN GIRL ASS is simply a no-count little faggot twerp.

The free market has never existed, but I believe it is the ultimate goal. Humans create many barriers to this achievement because they fear what they do not understand. Communism has failed, socialism will fail. I do think everyone should read the Communist Manifesto, but please stop misinterpreting Marx and also start reading beyond him. The man was highly intellegent and a good economist, but he missed some major notions (i.e. the labor theory of value which is totally off-base). The market is inevitable. The question is how much, how soon?

The corruption that Atari speaks of might possibly be the result of a lack of ethics in modern men, but it can convincingly be attributed to the very nature of a system of government -- which is a breeding ground for favor-seeking activity. Next time you look at a regulatory statute, question what is really behind that? What companies will be granted a de facto monopoly because of the regulation? Which ones will lose out? Why is it that DuPont, the largest producer of CFCs, was also the major force behind the banning of CFCs?

I hesitated to post this because I have no time for academics and other people (many of whom are highly intelligent) that get caught-up and obsessed with utopian ideals. I don't know Atari well, but from what I gather he has either started his own business or is working in a small business environment. He understands these things while those who hide behind books and theories, never venturing out into the real world, are unable to comprehend the nature of the free market. It's easier to attack the market because it makes them feel safer.

Studying and working in the environmental field, I always find it interesting that people with a background in ecology can't see the fact that the free market is the natural way of things. They push for Nature to be left alone, and often push for economies to be controlled - a process that creates more problems than it solves. Amazing really. Anyway, it's an uphill battle for people that think like I do.

Added to ignore list:

porkmarras
HaydenAsche aka the ungrateful little pussy boy that can only criticize typographical errors because he knows nothing
Glice
Toilet & Bowels
Cantankerous


You people don't exist to me anymore.

NO MAN THIS IS TOTALLY WRONG MAN ,YUGOSLAVIA WAS ONE OF THE GREATEST STATE IN EUROPE WHEN WAS COMUNISAM, WE HAD TO MANY FACTORIES, EVERY MAN HAD A JOB , AND NOW AFTER WAR ,AFTER COMMUNISM FALL DOWN HERE IS TERIBLE ,ABOUT 40% PEOPLE ARE POOR...NOW IS EVERYTHING CORRUPTED....

ha ha, you funny bastard.