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!@#$%! 11.16.2006 05:29 PM

atari, you cracker,

what did you do????

atari 2600 11.16.2006 05:30 PM

Glice has a crush on Absinthe Goblin.

!@#$%! 11.16.2006 05:40 PM

yes but really

atari 2600 11.16.2006 05:41 PM

I guess fishmonkey is hurt because we always got along.

Anyone that treads on The Beatles can expect the same.

Quote:

Originally Posted by fishmonkey
...
moral of the story?
dont slag off "the fab four" around somebody who has no grasp of the fact that other people have these things called...... what are they called again?.......

oh yeah... Opinions.


And it was my OPINION (I've always despised that word---since there's only Intelligence and Ignorance in actuality) that you deserved neg-repping for being a dolt as far as your idiotic negative comments about the greatest music ever made by anyone.

!@#$%! 11.16.2006 05:43 PM

me? i just refused to look at amorphous blocks of text.

!@#$%! 11.16.2006 05:50 PM

Jakob Nielsen's Alertbox for October 1, 1997:
How Users Read on the Web

They don't. People rarely read Web pages word by word; instead, they scan the page, picking out individual words and sentences. In research on how people read websites we found that 79 percent of our test users always scanned any new page they came across; only 16 percent read word-by-word. (Update: a newer study found that users read email newsletters even more abruptly than they read websites.)
As a result, Web pages have to employ scannable text, using
  • highlighted keywords (hypertext links serve as one form of highlighting; typeface variations and color are others)
  • meaningful sub-headings (not "clever" ones)
  • bulleted lists
  • one idea per paragraph (users will skip over any additional ideas if they are not caught by the first few words in the paragraph)
  • the inverted pyramid style, starting with the conclusion
  • half the word count (or less) than conventional writing
We found that credibility is important for Web users, since it is unclear who is behind information on the Web and whether a page can be trusted. Credibility can be increased by high-quality graphics, good writing, and use of outbound hypertext links. Links to other sites show that the authors have done their homework and are not afraid to let readers visit other sites.
Users detested "marketese"; the promotional writing style with boastful subjective claims ("hottest ever") that currently is prevalent on the Web. Web users are busy: they want to get the straight facts. Also, credibility suffers when users clearly see that the site exaggerates.
Measuring the Effect of Improved Web Writing

To measure the effect of some of the content guidelines we had identified, we developed five different versions of the same website (same basic information; different wording; same site navigation). We then had users perform the same tasks with the different sites. As shown in the table, measured usability was dramatically higher for the concise version (58% better) and for the scannable version (47% better). And when we combined three ideas for improved writing style into a single site, the result was truly stellar: 124% better usability. Site Version Sample Paragraph Usability Improvement
(relative to control condition) Promotional writing (control condition)
using the "marketese" found on many commercial websites Nebraska is filled with internationally recognized attractions that draw large crowds of people every year, without fail. In 1996, some of the most popular places were Fort Robinson State Park (355,000 visitors), Scotts Bluff National Monument (132,166), Arbor Lodge State Historical Park & Museum (100,000), Carhenge (86,598), Stuhr Museum of the Prairie Pioneer (60,002), and Buffalo Bill Ranch State Historical Park (28,446). 0%
(by definition) Concise text
with about half the word count as the control condition In 1996, six of the best-attended attractions in Nebraska were Fort Robinson State Park, Scotts Bluff National Monument, Arbor Lodge State Historical Park & Museum, Carhenge, Stuhr Museum of the Prairie Pioneer, and Buffalo Bill Ranch State Historical Park. 58% Scannable layout
using the same text as the control condition in a layout that facilitated scanning Nebraska is filled with internationally recognized attractions that draw large crowds of people every year, without fail. In 1996, some of the most popular places were:
  • Fort Robinson State Park (355,000 visitors)
  • Scotts Bluff National Monument (132,166)
  • Arbor Lodge State Historical Park & Museum (100,000)
  • Carhenge (86,598)
  • Stuhr Museum of the Prairie Pioneer (60,002)
  • Buffalo Bill Ranch State Historical Park (28,446).
47% Objective language
using neutral rather than subjective, boastful, or exaggerated language (otherwise the same as the control condition) Nebraska has several attractions. In 1996, some of the most-visited places were Fort Robinson State Park (355,000 visitors), Scotts Bluff National Monument (132,166), Arbor Lodge State Historical Park & Museum (100,000), Carhenge (86,598), Stuhr Museum of the Prairie Pioneer (60,002), and Buffalo Bill Ranch State Historical Park (28,446). 27% Combined version
using all three improvements in writing style together: concise, scannable, and objective In 1996, six of the most-visited places in Nebraska were:
  • Fort Robinson State Park
  • Scotts Bluff National Monument
  • Arbor Lodge State Historical Park & Museum
  • Carhenge
  • Stuhr Museum of the Prairie Pioneer
  • Buffalo Bill Ranch State Historical Park
124%
It was somewhat surprising to us that usability was improved by a good deal in the objective language version (27% better). We had expected that users would like this version better than the promotional site (as indeed they did), but we thought that the performance metrics would have been the same for both kinds of language. As it turned out, our four performance measures (time, errors, memory, and site structure) were also better for the objective version than for the promotional version. Our conjecture to explain this finding is that promotional language imposes a cognitive burden on users who have to spend resources on filtering out the hyperbole to get at the facts. When people read a paragraph that starts "Nebraska is filled with internationally recognized attractions," their first reaction is no, it's not, and this thought slows them down and distracts them from using the site.
Learn More

We are getting several interesting findings about users' detailed reading behavior in our current eyetracking studies, which will be presented at the User Experience 2006 conference in Seattle and London. The conference also contains a full-day tutorial on content usability and a tutorial on advanced content usability.


> Other Alertbox columns (complete list)
> Sign up for newsletter that will notify you of new Alertboxes Copyright © 1997 by Jakob Nielsen. ISSN 1548-5552

!@#$%! 11.16.2006 05:51 PM

see? read that ^^^

atari 2600 11.16.2006 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by porkmarras
I have to say atari,you ruin things for some people who post on here.I do hope a girlfriend or whatever will come along because you are a pathetic Sonic Youth fan.It is no wonder that you make me wonder.

i have to say,porkmarras, you ruin the whole experience of being here with 50+ posts per day of total inanity and countless goofy topics that amuse no one but yourself and other losers.It's heartening to see you've scaled it back over the last few days. Keep up that good work, please.

!@#$%! 11.16.2006 05:55 PM

i like porkie

i like atari too, but intellivision was too much

atari 2600 11.16.2006 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by !@#$%!
see? read that ^^^


No, I had to scan because I have ADD like you.

I read it.

It's about commercial websites that are marketing something, not messageboards.
I'm sure the same principles do apply somewhat, but spare me.

PLEASE FUCKING SPARE ME!

!@#$%! 11.16.2006 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by porkmarras
Should i reply?


don't...

atari 2600 11.16.2006 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by porkmarras
Should i reply?


There's nothing you could write that would change the facts.

Which, for those of you with ADD or ADHD are:

Total Posts: 12,308 (51.21 posts per day)
Find all posts by porkmarras
Find all threads started by porkmarras

!@#$%! 11.16.2006 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by atari 2600
No, I had to scan because I have ADD like you.

I read it.

It's about commercial websites that are marketing something, not messageboards.
I'm sure the same principles do apply somewhat, but spare me.

PLEASE FUCKING SPARE ME!


okay man-- please, look, i'm not one of the ones attempting to crucify you. i just wanted an explanation for that incident. i didn't know you were he. that's all.

!@#$%! 11.16.2006 06:03 PM

jeezus..

Danny Himself 11.16.2006 06:07 PM

You're all as bad as eachother. Go to bed. Learn about love or something.

!@#$%! 11.16.2006 06:10 PM

don't mean to sound like a whiny wounded person crying about the world, i'm certainly not, but i think i should follow everyneurotic & take a brief vacation from this board.

the reason? i'm too busy to waste time in this fucking constant drama. sure, i could ignore most of the stuff, but i end up getting sucked in somehow. and i have work to do! sure i an use a break, but if it's not going to be amusing, i refuse to play, or to play along, or even look at it.

have fun guys and really, ask yourselves if you want to waste your life doing this kind of crap. i know i don't.

bye!! :)

Danny Himself 11.16.2006 06:15 PM

later, nigga.

atari 2600 11.16.2006 06:15 PM

The drama is just about all you ever want to post about and that has been going on with your posts for months now, so I don't know what in the hell you're carrying-on over...see ya later.

!@#$%! 11.16.2006 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by atari 2600
The drama is just about all you ever want to post about and that has been going on with your posts for months now, so I don't know what in the hell you're carrying-on over...see ya later.


oh well fuck, that was a nice vacation, i enjoyed it immensely.

the thing is, out of a bizarre sense of loyalty, i refused to throw rocks at atari even if i think he's gone crackers. so rather than taking part in this shit i decided to leave until a) things calmed down or b) atari's medication kicked in, or c) both.

but since he just clarified he stands alone against the world, oh the world that's out to get him! well, fuck, the marriage is henceforth dissolved :p

no, seriously...

this is complete shit. trying to get at someone by his number of posts? have we lost it completely? i mean if you try to get at something with such pettiness, all we'll see is your pettiness and make the accused a hero.

viva porkie, for fuck's sakes. he may be many things, but he's certainly not painfully unfunny.

--

ps- atari, you are a cautionary tale for young potheads in this board. maybe you were crazy before you ever smoked weed, but you're living proof weed is no cure.

fishmonkey 11.16.2006 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by atari 2600
I guess fishmonkey is hurt because we always got along.

Anyone that treads on The Beatles can expect the same.



Look Atari, we did always get along and i hope we still will, i'm sorry man, and please dont think i mean any malice by this cuz i dont, you have a serious fondness for The Beatles and i respect this, fuck it i could lie and say i like em but i'd be lying, all i can say is i wont slag em off to a vulgar extent i do again and if i do i'll make sure i'm not within the company of yourself.
i mean that.

atari 2600 11.16.2006 07:07 PM

I would have never have done the dirty to you (or !@#$%! or Savage Clone) under normal conditions (even if you had scientifically proven that The Beatles were overrated), but I was in "Intellivision mode."
In other (slightly more concise) words, I was caught-up with acting like a repetitive, cheesy, ostentatious fuck (but with a glimmer of hope about them).
I tried to join the crowd in my own disturbed way, I think.

fishmonkey 11.16.2006 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by atari 2600
I would have never have done the dirty to you under normal conditions (even if you had scientifically proven that The Beatles were overrated), but I was in "Intellivision" mode.
In other words, I was caught-up with acting like a repetitive, cheesy, ostentatious fuck (but with a glimmer of hope about them).
I tried to join the crowd.


no bother Atari man,
i'll have a bong before bed with yr name on it
this world is too crazy for ill feeling.

atari 2600 11.16.2006 07:13 PM

This is the point where Kegmama used to come in to tell us to rock out with our cocks out.

fishmonkey 11.16.2006 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by atari 2600
This is the point where Kegmama used to come in to tell us to rock out with our cocks out.


yeah
she dont have a "mama" in her name for nothing
dont you just love Kegmama

Norma J 11.16.2006 07:19 PM

The ones complaining about the drama are the ones creating the drama.

jon boy 11.16.2006 07:23 PM

i think the phrase she used was bong out with your donng out.

HaydenAsche 11.16.2006 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norma J
The ones complaining about the drama are the ones creating the drama.


PKB

Washing Machine 11.17.2006 05:41 AM

Hahaha I love this board its like a soap opera, you all love each other really....Hugs all round!

alteredcourse 11.17.2006 05:49 AM

i enjoy this atari chap very much .

Glice 11.17.2006 07:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norma J
I AM A PRICK


Ne'er a truer word said. Amen brother.

atari 2600 11.17.2006 11:06 AM

yeah that too...erm

Jico 11.17.2006 12:30 PM

Turd.

jon boy 11.17.2006 01:32 PM

i do know you well kegmama and your right its the only way. take heed everyone.

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 11.17.2006 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chabib
atari's intellivision account was banned. i guess it banned the IP. i don't know who's who and who has multiple accounts. a good rule of thumb would be to stick to one account.


you tell em chabib. I swear people dont ever give this dude enough credit, cuz BAM! there he is all the time, whenever you least expect it.

Norma J 11.17.2006 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glice
Ne'er a truer word said. Amen brother.


My point proven. All you come here to do is to impress with insults and arguments, usually based around grammar. You're the almighty barrel scraper, and you're very lame.

This board would be a better place without HaydenAche, &%$&$ (Whatever his stupid name is), and yourself. You three in particular are a cesspool of negativity.

HaydenAsche 11.17.2006 11:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norma J
My point proven. All you come here to do is to impress with insults and arguments, usually based around grammar. You're the almighty barrel scraper, and you're very lame.

This board would be a better place without HaydenAche, &%$&$ (Whatever his stupid name is), and yourself. You three in particular are a cesspool of negativity.


I'm not negative, twat.

khchris(original) 11.18.2006 03:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norma J
My point proven. All you come here to do is to impress with insults and arguments, usually based around grammar. You're the almighty barrel scraper, and you're very lame.

This board would be a better place without HaydenAche, &%$&$ (Whatever his stupid name is), and yourself. You three in particular are a cesspool of negativity.



this coming from someone who assumes that america is "late on the uptake" in the sascha cohen "bandwagon".

like we don't hear any negativity from you? if that's not the "cat calling the kettle black", i'll be a monkey's uncle.

Norma J 11.18.2006 04:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by khchris(original)
this coming from someone who assumes that america is "late on the uptake" in the sascha cohen "bandwagon".

like we don't hear any negativity from you? if that's not the "cat calling the kettle black", i'll be a monkey's uncle.


As the old saying goes: Build a bridge and get the fuck over it.

PAULYBEE2656 11.18.2006 05:46 AM

ha, oh god. laughed? i almost pissed myself....................

again, respect to atari....................

Glice 11.18.2006 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norma J
My point proven. All you come here to do is to impress with insults and arguments, usually based around grammar. You're the almighty barrel scraper, and you're very lame.

This board would be a better place without HaydenAche, &%$&$ (Whatever his stupid name is), and yourself. You three in particular are a cesspool of negativity.


*barrel-scraper. Otherwise, tremendous acuity, well done!


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