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Androol 12.21.2006 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by porkmarras
This is probably the worst thing i can think happened to music in a few generations of supposedly 'serious' music fans.As you'll pelt me with bottles and try to sod me in public places,remember that its grime and austerity is as bad as finding a tumor in your genitals.Discuss.


what about nic fit

porkmarras 12.21.2006 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Androol
what about nic fit

Nice chap.

Androol 12.21.2006 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by swa(y)
nic fit was a cover song. the original band that did it was the untouchables (which featured alec mackaye, ian of minor threat/fugazi's brother)


im asking what you think it means that they covered it. i think theyre obviously showing their appreciation and everyone should follow suit.

porkmarras 12.21.2006 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Androol
im asking what you think it means that they covered it. i think theyre obviously showing their appreciation and everyone should follow suit.

Like sheep?No,thanks.

Androol 12.21.2006 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by porkmarras
This is probably the worst thing i can think happened to music in a few generations of supposedly 'serious' music fans.As you'll pelt me with bottles and try to sod me in public places,remember that its grime and austerity is as bad as finding a tumor in your genitals.Discuss.


 


this album says shut the fuck up

Androol 12.21.2006 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by porkmarras
Like sheep?No,thanks.


following sy makes you a sheep?! ok im done with you.

Androol 12.21.2006 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by swa(y)
oh, thurston most definately embraced hardcore. he even briefly participated in a hardcore outfit called "even worse".

and "everyone should" = complete craziness. no one "should" have a taste, or even an appreciaton, for somethings thats just not them.


yes they should. example: anyone who cant appreciate sonic youth is an asshole.

Androol 12.21.2006 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by swa(y)
their artists, not demi-gods who wish to be worshipped.


ok its too early in the morning im not putting up with this.

!@#$%! 12.21.2006 09:29 AM

their? his? hers? yours? who's?

Androol 12.21.2006 09:37 AM

kill yr idols is pretty hardcore. different from the traditional style of landspeed record for example but still

Androol 12.21.2006 09:51 AM

what are you saying sonic youth was just some sell out looking for more fans?! wtf point are you trying to make?

ive read both confusion is next and our bband could be your life

Androol 12.21.2006 09:59 AM

i still think youre off base with this one. the only thing ive ever read even remotely to this was that they wrote drunk butterfly because they were on lollapalooza or whatever damn festival it was at the time. kill yr idols is the only song really like that and its not traditional by a damn mile. bring in more black flag fans lmao

Androol 12.21.2006 10:11 AM

yeah omg they totally incorporated certain aesthetics from mudhoney and nirvana! shut the fuck up

Androol 12.21.2006 10:17 AM

link or at least cite then. like i said the only thing ive ever read about anything like this was with regards to drunk butterfly.

Androol 12.21.2006 10:24 AM

ok well let me answer that by getting back to the point. the only thing from their early career that comes anything close to hardcore is kill yr idols, and im saying that doesnt have a damn thing to do with getting more minor threat fans in the door.

later

Glice 12.21.2006 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by swa(y)

again, thats why they chose the photocopied art. this was very popular amongst the hardcore community....very "diy".


I like how you're conflating the tone of someone twice your age, the literacy of someone half your age, and the knowledge of neither. I'm pretty certain that the DIY aesthetics they alluded to were more to do with the punk ethos than the hardcore one - the DIY, grainy B&W sleeves of hardcore were inherited from the (British) punk movement. What I've read of SY at the time (which is, truth be told, a fair amount) they borrowed the work ethic of hardcore (ie tour everywhere, forever) but early-SY straddles the ethos of punk/ new wave/ no wave (the latter so marginal a scene as to be pretty insignificant) during CIS-era. Bear in mind that hardcore didn't really start putting out records/ being nationally a notable scene until circa BMR, and SY cut their teeth in the dying throes of late-70s punk and art music.

Edit: Disclaimer - I don't actually care, please disregard if you see fit.

Androol 12.21.2006 03:52 PM

ageist

Pookie 12.22.2006 05:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Glice
I like how you're conflating the tone of someone twice your age, the literacy of someone half your age, and the knowledge of neither. I'm pretty certain that the DIY aesthetics they alluded to were more to do with the punk ethos than the hardcore one - the DIY, grainy B&W sleeves of hardcore were inherited from the (British) punk movement. What I've read of SY at the time (which is, truth be told, a fair amount) they borrowed the work ethic of hardcore (ie tour everywhere, forever) but early-SY straddles the ethos of punk/ new wave/ no wave (the latter so marginal a scene as to be pretty insignificant) during CIS-era. Bear in mind that hardcore didn't really start putting out records/ being nationally a notable scene until circa BMR, and SY cut their teeth in the dying throes of late-70s punk and art music.

Edit: Disclaimer - I don't actually care, please disregard if you see fit.


See - Glice knows EVERYTHING.

Glice 12.22.2006 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by swa(y)
theyve had no choice but to tour everywhere, thats where their money comes from.


So you're choosing to undermine the only tenet of your argument which agrees with mine? Who tought you internet arguments? Have them shot, post-haste.

Pookie, meanwhile, shows great acuity in his contributions.

Pookie 12.22.2006 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Glice
Pookie, meanwhile, shows great acuity in his contributions.


Why thank you sir.

What's acuity mean?


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