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ann ashtray 05.23.2013 12:34 AM

Swans probably are largely responsible for the whole beardo dark folk garbage going on now. That said, they're a decent band. Lots of hipsters do happen to like them, though. But then again, tons of hipsters like Sonic Youth. Damn hipsters.

Just fuck the bicycles on the sidewalk hipsters. Keep 'em over into the street where they belong.

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 05.23.2013 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by ann ashtray
Swans probably are largely responsible for the whole beardo dark folk garbage going on now. That said, they're a decent band. Lots of hipsters do happen to like them, though. But then again, tons of hipsters like Sonic Youth. Damn hipsters.

Just fuck the bicycles on the sidewalk hipsters. Keep 'em over into the street where they belong.


Haha... in LA its actually the opposite, only hipsters ride their bike in the street and even us like the turn lane in the middle of traffic. The rest of us rudely cruise the sidewalks Angelino stylee..

ann ashtray 05.23.2013 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous
Haha... in LA its actually the opposite, only hipsters ride their bike in the street and even us like the turn lane in the middle of traffic. The rest of us rudely cruise the sidewalks Angelino stylee..


Yeah, I just hate bikes on the sidewalks with a passion. Unless it's little kids, of course. Just a grown man (or woman...) has no business riding a bike down the sidewalk. If it's two am and basically no one is out I'll give 'em a pass. That's it though.

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 05.23.2013 12:48 AM

I rode my bike on the sidewalk because it was the only way not to get fucking hit by a car (which happened to me twice).. even the mayor had to get his elbow surgically repaired after getting hit by a car riding his bike, on ride your bike to work week no less!!

ann ashtray 05.23.2013 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous
I rode my bike on the sidewalk because it was the only way not to get fucking hit by a car (which happened to me twice).. even the mayor had to get his elbow surgically repaired after getting hit by a car riding his bike, on ride your bike to work week no less!!


Well it's a hazard for those, like myself, that don't mind walking. They call them the sideWALKS for a reason, dude.

ann ashtray 05.23.2013 12:55 AM

In other words, I should NEVER be expected to get out of the way for some dickwad riding his bike down the sidewalk. I shouldn't have to check when I leave a store to make sure someone isn't flying down the sidewalk. Since living here in Chi, I've almost been hit by bikes on the sidewalk on three occassions. ON several more, I've had them ask me (sometimes politely, sometimes not) to move out of their way. I typically do not...again, unless it's little kids.

Nefeli 05.23.2013 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by tesla69
Think for yourself, you'll be better for it. Why do you give a fuck what someone[s friend think so ofy ou?


lol honey. if you had read 'i dont care' in post.
i think way too much and that has been my problem, in terms that i dont have good times.


anyway, many here will agree that it is unfair for us to do what we dont want to be done to us: to stereotype and associate style in people with what music they look like they are listening to.
on the other hand, many times that is the case as well.

basically, it isnt an important issue.
it just seemed pretty peculiar and unreal to me for such an idea about the swans to be floating around.

Nefeli 05.23.2013 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Trama
I think you should mention this to Michael.

Make some repairs about the sound too.


if i had known about it, yeah. i had my chance; my friend who works with gig organizers made me act as a groopie after the gig: i gave Gira his beer.
and left. true and boring story.

guest 05.23.2013 08:31 AM

I find it so disheartening that someone would think of swans as a hipster band, they fucking destroy hipsters. perfect example: atp I'll be your mirror, london 2011, swans were playing on the same day as beach house, whose fans had been obliterated by stephen o'malley and allan moore. the hipster dicks literally went running for the exits for both acts, the grimaces were hilarious. same thing at mbv. that's the thing I hate, though, as someone said here. the fact that they go and post about it on facebook as if it was some great test of credibility nauseates me, those attempts to seem outré really grate on me.

dead_battery 05.23.2013 10:45 AM

its funny because i when i read peoples posts in this thread wearing the glasses from they live it says:

i am real

i am an authentic consumer

hipsters are just simulacra. they are not individuals. i hate them. i am an individual. i posses a self.

i am real

i am an individual

i do it right

i am not self conscious

i am enjoying life

i am real

Keeping It Simple 05.23.2013 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by foreverasskiss
as i firgure, there was actually a time when 'Hipster' wasnt a derogatory term. i clearly remember hearing that word being thrown around in the late 90's, but it was very rare. then Pitchfork comes along...........and at it's peak(2004,2005),.... hipster becomes a dirty word to describe rich well-off kids who are "in the know" with underground music culture and arts. not to mention their overblown exaggerated thrift store attire fashion sense.

don't most hispters listen to hip hop and dance music these days anyway? i don't have a clue.


Hipsters who listen to hip hop are commonly referred to as "wiggas".

Keeping It Simple 05.23.2013 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by ann ashtray
In other words, I should NEVER be expected to get out of the way for some dickwad riding his bike down the sidewalk. I shouldn't have to check when I leave a store to make sure someone isn't flying down the sidewalk. Since living here in Chi, I've almost been hit by bikes on the sidewalk on three occassions. ON several more, I've had them ask me (sometimes politely, sometimes not) to move out of their way. I typically do not...again, unless it's little kids.


People who ride their bikes on the pavement are arrogant cunts worthy of a severe baseball bat beating, unless they're kids, obviously.

demonrail666 05.23.2013 11:24 AM

Commuter cyclists are a real pet hate of mine, whether they're on the road or the pavement. Ex smokers on wheels.

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 05.23.2013 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Keeping It Simple
People who ride their bikes on the pavement are arrogant cunts worthy of a severe baseball bat beating, unless they're kids, obviously.


You car driving fuckers sure are nice. Now I see why y'all always hit us with your cars when we do dare to ride in the street, because y'all are a bunch of sadistic fucks! Go green fuckers, your car culture is destroying us all with toxic gases (and I ain't talking about global warming, I'm talking about cancer) and mass-market consumerism. If everybody took the bus and train then what? How would y'all self-actualize through your cars? How cool will you be then? Who will have the baseball bat swinging advantage in the long run?

Quote:

Originally Posted by dead_battery
its funny because i when i read peoples posts in this thread wearing the glasses from they live it says:

i am real

i am an authentic consumer

hipsters are just simulacra. they are not individuals. i hate them. i am an individual. i posses a self.

i am real

i am an individual

i do it right

i am not self conscious

i am enjoying life

i am real


gast is that you?

dead_battery 05.23.2013 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous


gast is that you?


yes it is me, i am grast

what is the one sin that cannot be forgiven?

rejecting the holy spirit

i am that sinner

zoom in and out and bicycle

dale_gribble 05.23.2013 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ann ashtray
Since living here in Chi, I've almost been hit by bikes on the sidewalk on three occassions.


really? i only ever see those fuck sticks riding in the street. in any case they're usually annoying, not because they're riding bikes but because they don't know how to do it properly. fortunately i deal with them solely on the northside as the only few people who ride bikes in my neighborhood are old drunks or kids haha.

EVOLghost 05.23.2013 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ann ashtray

Just fuck the bicycles on the sidewalk hipsters. Keep 'em over into the street where they belong.



And even when they're on the street they're still assholes. The road is also for cars....and they should also acknowledge that and ALSO follows the roads of the road. anyways....If yer an asshole on the road and I'm also on the road....prepare yoself.

Phlegmscope 05.27.2013 07:22 AM

I think a "hipster" is merely an idea or a stereotype of a person and in real life they're very rare.
I don't think I've ever seen or met someone who fits in the general consensus of a hipster.

On a more pragmatic level it's just a tag for a consumer group. A young brand conscious lot just like yuppies (the difference being that the "brands" can be cultural items in addition to corporate trademarks).

dead_battery 05.27.2013 08:07 AM

hey guys, guess what, im not a hipster even though I know what they are, which is evidenced by this list of references:

REFERENCE. REFERENCE.

i am just an authentic consumer artist, a self deprecating kind of guy, i hate pitchfork but not in a non ironic way like some ironic irony hipster. when i look in the mirror i see a person not just a black space

thanks guys. www.myspace.com

!@#$%! 05.27.2013 08:20 AM

who the fuck remembers going to the record store over a decade ago and reading this shit and cringing like you just walked onto a dog turd?

Do you want to know what a hipster in Glasgow talks about?

The hipsters in Glasgow stay up until all hours discussing Biblical matters. that is how they greet the dawn in spring. But they still get up four hours later to see how their private world is affected by commerce and necessity.

The hipsters in Hillhead stya up to talk about Jesus, and how he felt about hipsters. All conjecture you must understand, because the straights that wrote the bible pretty much passed over it.

But Jesus thought about them because he thought about all things. If all he said and did was written, then there would be no volume large enough to contain all the detail.

So they ponder in dialect. And the dawn creeps up on them, reminding them to go to sleep for a few hours. Hopefully, the feeling they had on shutting their eyes is the feeling that will persist until nine. For it is then that their youthful ideals will be put to the test. When they come up against the commercial world and the awakening activity of everyday life.

The hipsters will stay up to talk about things that concern them. When they wake up, they will weave their path through people shopping, signing on, visiting hospitals and cutting back grass. Though really it is not fair to call them hipsters, because that is still a slur.

With fondness, I think about the hipsters beavering away in coolness. Because I’m looking upon a framed picture of where they live. It’s one of my favourite pictures, and the change of season doesn’t change the overall effect too much. The leaves are not on teh trees, but the colour of the sandstone is pretty enough. It seems grey and quiet in the picture, but I know for a fact there are a thousand Saturday meals being made and a thousand Saturday plans being hatched to drink and be senseless. Till the gentle tug of the working week brings sense to bear.


---

This shit couldn't have been ironic, but if it was it flew waaaaaay past me.

Toilet & Bowels 05.29.2013 05:14 AM

If anyone is close to being a hipster on this board it's dead battery as he separates himself from others by stating what he isn't, and clearly thinks he's better than everyone else which is really just a way to hide his insecurity

louder 05.29.2013 05:43 AM

the term "hipster" doesn't really mean a thing anymore.

Keeping It Simple 05.29.2013 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous
You car driving fuckers sure are nice. Now I see why y'all always hit us with your cars when we do dare to ride in the street, because y'all are a bunch of sadistic fucks! Go green fuckers, your car culture is destroying us all with toxic gases (and I ain't talking about global warming, I'm talking about cancer) and mass-market consumerism. If everybody took the bus and train then what? How would y'all self-actualize through your cars? How cool will you be then? Who will have the baseball bat swinging advantage in the long run?


gast is that you?


I don't drive and I don't cycle. I get around using public transport, a lift and by walking.

Derek 05.30.2013 10:08 AM

can we stop saying the fucking word 'hipster'

jesus, it's 2013, let's stop it

Rob Instigator 05.30.2013 10:36 AM

Hipsters exist. they are real. Therefore, we have to keep using the word.

In the 70's early 80's we called them POSERS

!@#$%! 05.30.2013 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Derek
can we stop saying the fucking word 'hipster'

jesus, it's 2013, let's stop it


1) are you from glasgow? (see above)

2) do you enjoy staying up all night discussing biblical matters?

3) would you have people say jeepster instead? (it's a dead label but i'm sure they want promotion)

4) what do you call readers of the brooklyn vegan other than "brooklyn vegans"?

--

ps- i haven't had time to watch that almodovar movie yet but will see it this weekend.

pps-


 

Bytor Peltor 05.30.2013 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Derek
can we stop saying the fucking word 'hipster'

jesus, it's 2013, let's stop it


I thought Johnny Bravo was the last hipster: http://youtu.be/FvqD8A29-UA

Derek 05.30.2013 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
Hipsters exist. they are real. Therefore, we have to keep using the word.

In the 70's early 80's we called them POSERS


who are you to judge who's a 'poser' or 'hipster'? because of the way they dress or the bands they like? dumb.

also yes to all of symbol man's questions.

Genteel Death 05.30.2013 01:10 PM

Is the annoyingly studious Morrissey look still popular with hipsters? These days I only really see people in their suits commuting to and from work looking like zombies.

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 05.30.2013 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Genteel Death
Is the annoyingly studious Morrissey look still popular with hipsters? These days I only really see people in their suits commuting to and from work looking like zombies.


The English still wear suits? In the States, the new vogue business look is the probation officer.

 

Rob Instigator 05.30.2013 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Derek
who are you to judge who's a 'poser' or 'hipster'? because of the way they dress or the bands they like? dumb.

.


You can't just answer your own question! rhetorical fallacy!

You judge them by their actions as opposed to their "persona"

Hipsters you judge solely on their desperate attempts to be included in everything currently uber-hip.

Rob Instigator 05.30.2013 01:20 PM

TRUE, such! That parole officer look is huge in downtown Houston!

Genteel Death 05.30.2013 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous
The English still wear suits? In the States, the new vogue business look is the probation officer.


 

New? Seriously?

h8kurdt 05.30.2013 01:39 PM

A guy at work who knows NOTHING about music said Black Sabbath are a hipster band because "they change" during songs. They makes Genesis one of the biggest hipster bands out there surely?

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 05.30.2013 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by h8kurdt
A guy at work who knows NOTHING about music said Black Sabbath are a hipster band because "they change" during songs. They makes Genesis one of the biggest hipster bands out there surely?


What does Sabbath change into exactly? A slightly more drugged or drunk version of their first set? ;)

Genteel Death 05.30.2013 01:53 PM

We never ask what the hipsters think of us on this forum.

h8kurdt 05.30.2013 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous
What does Sabbath change into exactly? A slightly more drugged or drunk version of their first set? ;)


He was talking about their new single specifically. Although to be fair, you can say it about a lot of their songs.

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 05.30.2013 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Genteel Death
We never ask what the hipsters think of us on this forum.


We should take this moment then. Genteel Death, what do you think of the forum?

Genteel Death 05.30.2013 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous
We should take this moment then. Genteel Death, what do you think of the forum?

I'm not a hipster, I think. Why are you asking me?

Rob Instigator 05.30.2013 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by h8kurdt
He was talking about their new single specifically. Although to be fair, you can say it about a lot of their songs.



Supernaut goes into that Santana-esque chicano groove at the end all excellently!

http://youtu.be/44hNwWCKgpI


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