ok, only read te first couple of posts but to answer the topic i say yeas, do relisten. mbv rewards repeated lisens. i guess there is an age gap here too. mbv last album loveless is now 15 years old (fuck, i remember well buyng it on release day) and anyone who i have given it to who are 5 or 10 years younger than me dont get it on the first listen.

trust me on this. mbv are worth the effort............

what swings it forloveless for me is that it contains sometimes... possibly the most beautiful song ever written by anyone, anywhere, ever.......

It's the album's best, just like "Teen Age Riot", the simplest and most repetitive track on DN, is the best. They're both simple expressions of recognizable feelings. "Sometimes" seems to be repeating the same old sound over and over again and at the same tempo, but there's a subtle shift in tempo that occurs in the middle of it (you can hear it taking off) that's really beautiful, especially when Bilinda starts oooing.

its one of the few songs that actually moves me......
again, mbv do reward repeated listens. i know what diesel means about them not being nirvana......... i get that from people when i try to get them into em. "theyre not heavy enough..." kinda buzz, the majority have come back to me and say that they now love mbv............

their new album is seemingly out this year too!!!!!!:D

Here's a link to Kevin Shields talking about some songs for Wire Magazine - http://www.mybloodyvalentine.net/smf...php?topic=57.0. Especially read what he says about Blind Willie Johnson's "Dark was the Night" [click the 3rd pic or just click this - http://img391.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wire31gc.jpg]. I think we've found the inspiration for "Sometimes", if not the whole album.

Hmmm. I have to get the new Magnet issue. I'm not holding my breath. All I can say is Thank you Sofia Coppola and thank you to the person who introduced her to the group and so and on and so on.

maybe kevin is happy hanging around with primal scream.......

Loveless is still one of the CDs that, after having had it for like 7 years, I can always put in on my stereo and enjoy it as much as then in the past.

The same with Isn't anything. Each one of them has its special vibe.

But they both fucking rock.

I'm gonna play Loveless right now.

From the looks of this topic, I have to get my hands on a copy of Isn't Anything.

Loveless is one of my favorite cds ever.

I don't think I've ever listened to it under those conditions, but you might be right.

Is it me or most of the people who are posting on this thread haven't heard or formed an opinion when the band were still about?Just sayin'.

looking at the average age of the board posters i guess most people don't... i didn't get to hear them until much later.

but what does that matter for someone's opinion?

MBV rocks. Maybe Loveless is too hard to listen to. Try something a little easier and then move on to Loveless. Try this.

Sunny Sundae Smille EP

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.ph...1BA8736A6F9C94

Hahaha. Fools.

Loveless and especially Isn't Anything (I know I'm the only one to say that, but...) are AMAZING.

grab the 4 creation eps as well... you made me realise, feed me..., glider (both the 4 tracker and the andy weatherall remix with the full length version of glider), and tremelo..... perfect accomanyment to the 2 creation abums....

mbv virgins avoid this is your bloody valentine album, its muck!

btw, i met kevin sheilds in dublin at a sebadoh gig about 10 years ago. nice guy, offered to buy him a pint and he refused saying that "i dont have to do that" so he bought me one and disappearedinto the dark sections of th seated area

You are a glorious man for that.

Loveless is as good as it gets. Perfect. Gorgeous, gorgeous songs. I too am baffled at how some can find it boring or to be "nothing special". Pop music just doesn't get any better than that.

I'm also surprised about the lack of recognition for the Glider and Tremolo EPs.

for me "loveless" was a little disappointment after "tremolo" which is perfect and probably the best thing they ever did (along with "you made me realise" ep).

not if you don't like them

o yeah, Tremolo and Glider. The song Glider sounds like the hook of Only Shallow repeated over and over. Swallow from Tremolo is basically To Here Knows When with beats and some Middle Eastern touches (I prefer BB's performance on Swallow though). Clearly Bilinda should have sang on every song, except for maybe Sometimes. And if only the last song from Tremolo was sung by BB...

i heard somewhere that most of the vocals on loveless are by kevin, even some that you'd think would be bilinda as his vocals where speeded up... but whatever.

Whaaaaaaat? Hmmm... let's see

Only Shallow - BB
Loomer - BB
To Here Knows When - BB
When You Sleep - KS
I Only Said - KS
Come in Alone - KS
Sometimes - KS
Blown a Wish - BB
What You Want - KS
Soon - KS

Right now I'm listening to IA. My mini boom box is chillin' inside of my 15" high trunk. The bass button's been pushed, and the volume's as high as I can take it. The trunk's top is nearrrrly closed (a bundled sock's keeping it open just a little bit) So much of Colm's drumming and Deb's bass-playing is pumping through this thing. Deb I hear you more! She's definitely the unheraled star of this one, for sure.

Pork, my opinion has been changed.

Good.My never so humble opinion might be a piss of shit but 'Isn't Anything' slurs like no other record i've ever heard.I still think they get way too much adulation as a band considering the limited and frankly not so peerless setting their music flourished.Don't let my memory or record collection agree on lashing out or there will be (harmless) internet trouble.

too many lame ass copycats porkmarrass

but that chick in lush had one thich thatch bush just for meeee.....

I don't know how many of those bands you were immersed in at the time but.......fuck it!Whatever.

mmmmmm miki!!!

I wish i could have thought of this myself.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=_SYiq77j7m8

are the rumours true that she was in that film, oriental whores 4? it's kinda hard to believe...

ha! oh god thats funny!! i really dont know but facially she would fit in...

jeez i just read that back and it sounds perverted, may edit...fuck it no i wont!


the last one is kasayuka toda from japan, similar in looks....

didnt realise this but kevin sheilds was born in queens, nyc.......
intersting mbv fact #4638

I´m not also interested them at all. I have heard few songs and I think they were just boring.

The band responsible for making their guitars sound like they were giving off a depressed sigh. That was a good enough reason for me to regard them as shit.

It simply wouldn't do to go on some tirade about the brilliance and influence of MBV here. My id wants to do it, but my rational brain says no.

To answer your question...

I don't know and neither does anybody else.

Only you can know if you've been missing out, and you can only find that out by giving the band's discog a good hearty listen. If you find something you like in there; something that, had you not heard it, you believe your life would have been somehow incomplete, then yes, you were missing out. If you don't dig it, fair enough, and then obviously the answer becomes no, you were not missing out, and you just wasted several hours listening to music you don't like.

In all honesty I don't really understand the question. It seems like you've heard them and not really gotten the bug, and you're wondering if that somehow isn't "right", but if you've heard them and don't like them, then honestly, what the fuck is there to gain in changing your opinion to conform to the status quo formed by aging ex-punks on an internet message board?

If the question was "I've never heard MBV... am I missing out?" then i would understand a bit better. But it sounds to me like you have heard people talking about their biblical awesomeness (something that's become a bit of a thoughtless habit among indie rock fans), and you're experiencing some in-group jealousy. Wishing you liked them so you could say things like that.

I do not believe in forcing yourself to like or hate music just so you can feel a sense of belonging to a particular social group.

Believe me, it's totally OK to not like My Bloody Valentine. I'm a fan- always have been- but I can admit that there was a bit of crap mixed in with the overall goodness of their output.

So, in short, you're only missing out on something if you like them and haven't heard enough of their music to realize that. If you don't like them, or remain ambivalent, you might be "missing out" on some conversations about My Bloody Valentine, and that's about it. So there's one answer to all of this: LISTEN TO THEM. It should be a pretty easy thing to figure out after that.

Personally, I think Loveless is a great achievement in recording. However, it is not the holy bible of indie rock that many people think it to be. It is a great album if you like that kind of music. In fact, it's THE album if you like that kind of music. But, although it is a milemarker in college rock/noise pop/shoegaze, it is not the best MBV album.

My bloody valentine is absolutely an acquired taste, but I think there are a lot of people who say they like them, when they actually don't. Don't ask me why, it's just a theory I've developed over the years. Personally, I love the album, but I'm more into their earlier career (see EP's named in this thread, Isn't Anything, etc.) I also listen to them from a musician's perspective. I spent countless teenage hours sitting with my first Jaguar and a cheap Peavey Envoy 110, playing Loveless on repeat and trying to recreate the sounds while playing along with the album. But it's vastly different than the band that MBV started out as, and many years later, I've pretty much decided that I prefer the Jesus and Mary Chain, and that Loveless owes more to Psychocandy than many people realize.

MBV is one of those bands that will always be a favorite of mine, but that I only listen to once or twice a year. Kind of like Husker Du, the Stone Roses, Pixies, and even Nirvana. The bands that first turned me into the shameless college rock junkie I am today.

Ooooh, so wise! ;)

Actually, really a pretty good response to a difficult question.

Listen to MBV!!! Listen to them an *don't* read about them. Trust your ears, not the sycophantic praise of music journalists who weren't even born when Loveless came out. But just on the chance that you might be missing out, you should give them a thorough listen.

January 2007... Christ almighty thats a long time ago