No no no not Manson.

Reznor before Manson.
Beck before Manson.
Definitely Jack White before Manson.

(Though to be honest Jack White owes a lot to Kurt... he riffed on the Kurt idea, sure, but the Kurt idea it remains)

I think if Pete Doherty had managed to keep himself together, The Libertines could've become quite important. Musically they were never very interesting (although nor were Nirvana, really) but I think his lyrics and general attitude did kind of capture a certain millennial zeitgeist better than any other rock band I can think of. But then I don't think they had much of a following in the US, even at their height.

I think of Jack White like Grohl. These sort of embassadors of a certain era.

here’s a ridiculous poll from a couple of years ago

please find the rockers. i think there are 2 mentioned maybe? something.

https://www.billboard.com/articles/b...industry-execs

i don’t give a shit either way. i’m gonna go listen to a bunch of recordings of SIBONEY, which started as a danzón style zarzuela tune in 1927, became a “rumba” hit in the 30s, resurfaced as a 60s pop song, got adapted by nino rota for amarcord, got multiple arrangements i think by dizzy gillespie, got played into this century by the buena vistas, and will continue to get rehashed this century because it’s a great little tropical thing that will never die.

siiiiboneeeeeeeey....

i seriously recommend the dizzy versions

also rubén gonzáles on piano when he was 90-something

You folks all seem to forget that metal is alive and very well. And very interesting, especially these days. And with a consistently loyal and supportive following. Metal is Rock. And it is still huge, whether or not it is in your orbit. And it doesn't need the mainstream press either.

To wit, for instance....

https://youtu.be/Ri9rgcegl3Y

my favorite metal band these days is dethklok



i’m laughing just looking at that picture. such a great show. a terrible pity that it did not go on.

Heavy agree, friend

Yeah, Libertines never really caught on in the U.S. in a big way. I think the England has more “rock stars” from the past 25 years than the U.S. does.

But I think Nirvana was musically interesting. Listen to their predecessors... even Sonic Youth and the Pixies didn’t quite have their knack for turning ugliness into *catchiness.* Both bands are/were more musically interesting and inventive than Nirvana, but Nirvana made people stand up and chant in minor chords. They embraced “punk” while utterly subverting the sing-a-long major chord nature of the Ramones, Pistols, Clash, etc. Their ear for melody and harmony was unique. Like an angsty adolescent Beatles on too much Paxil.

There was some musically interesting stuff going on with that band. The fact that they appealed to such a wide audience by playing sounds and chords that are pretty much scientifically guaranteed to decrease mood and bum people out is amazing to me to this day.

I mean, fucking “Heart-Shaped Box” was a *hit.* “Come as you Are” was a *hit.* These songs are fucking DOWNERS, but they pumped people up.

I think they knew their way around a pop hook and a noise squall in a way that’s never really been seen before or since.

in retrospect i think the dizzy & getz versions of siboney, while interesting in their bebop interpretation, are too lively, and miss the point that the original song is a semi-melancholy horndog call for something faraway and unattainable, but wanted hard, and so they sort of destroy it into a simple musical motif with variations and lose the emotional core of it.

—

and YES about nirvana. people forget that the late 80s/early 90s were a huge downer themselves— bush I was in office, there was a huge recession after the failure of reaganomics, gen-xers were overeducated and underpaid, the specter of global thermonuclear annihilation was still present, AIDS was rampant, the working class was destroyed, there was a huge crack epidemic, etc etc.

their depressive chants were a huge fucking catharsis rather than a pathetic moan. that’s what was great about them. there was a happiness in letting it all out.

but anyway, millennials are the new baby boomers now, and have taken over, ha ha ha.

new YOB !!

Yob are so great. Mike has really been to death's door and back recently. So glad he lived to bring more Yob. What he went through and what he had to do to recover from it I wouldn't wish on anyone.

how come I never knew this? Nobody ever tells me anything

You may be right about rock and roll changing with the times, symbols. But that doesn't change how I felt the writer was trying to portray things. But good points!

I was listening to some Blue Rodeo

Listened to the new Perfect Circle album today. Liked it.

Also listening to Blur's The Great Escape.

Oh Lawd, the one with "Country House"... Do yourself a favor and:

1.- SKIP that one. Just... freakin'... skip it.
2.- Listen to The Kinks' 1966 album Face To Face, which, whaddayaknow, includes a song called "A House In The Country". Coincidence? Not!

Other than that, stay golden.
:)

I mean, I've been a fan of Blur's full discography since the mid-90s. I've heard The Great Escape many many times before, so I can't really "skip it." haha.

Magic Whip was such a great album to end on. At least I certainly hope they leave it at that.

Dinosaur Jr? Jesus and Mary Chain?