Wow, "Who I am" sounds so much like Forever-era Wu-Tang. Damn.

Edit: ok, all of this sounds like Wu-Tang. I mean, it's good. Really good! But I'm surprised. I thought that during this period in Def Jam's history, the Roc crew and Wu-Tang were kind of at odds with one another. I have read a few Wu accounts of running into Jay in the building and Jay acting like a total asshole.

Funny, if that's the case, because this album sounds like a study in recreating the late '90s/early '00s Wu-Tang sound.

It's a good record though, and it's taking me back. Making me want to listen to Wu (which I haven't really been able to do since I admitted to myself that A Better Tomorrow was wack as hell). But some individuality shines through. This is nowhere near the level of Purple Haze, but it's definitely the kind of thing I would have listened to had I not been sleeping on it at the time of its release.

Happy to have it. Loving "More than Music" and "Who I Am" most so far.

Ok, I just heard this new album by Bas and I wasn't expecting it to be great, but it's really goddam good.

You all need to hear this:

BAS - TO HIGH TO RIOT



There are some hints of latter day Kanye in the production, but the songs are lyrical. There's an almost underground feel to it reminiscent of El-p, but with more soul. I'd also compare it to Kendrick in terms of lyrical content, and Pusha in terms of beat choices.

Features from J. Cole and Cozz.

I'm just really surprised by how much I like it. If I continue listening to it and don't get bored, this could potentially be a big one for me.

Let me know what y'all think.

On track 6? That was Cee Lo my man. ;) He ate that shit!

Diplomatic Immunity is one of the best rap albums of the past decade, in my opinion. Cam'ron and Juelz Santana at the top of their game over classic soul beats by Heatmakerz, Kanye and Just Blaze. A double disc without filler? Now that's crazy!

I'll check out the Bas album soon, thanks.

Punch's explanation for the title "untitled unmastered." makes perfect sense especially because the album IS in fact mastered, lol.

Yeah, I can hear Kanye's production. I just know it when I hear it at this point, even if I didn't know he was involved (which I didn't, not with this album).

But doesn't it sound Wu-tangy to you? Not exactly like an imitation, because I can't deny that it's high quality all around (except for those little breaks and skit segments... I never like skits. Just me, maybe), but I definitely hear a Wu vibe on the record. It's not as blatant as the first couple Jedi Mind Tricks records, which were just plain imitations even though I enjoy them, but the influence of Rza's post-36 chambers production is very clear to me.

Anyway I'm really liking it. Like, a lot. I might have to just chill with this album for a while before moving on to the next one, that's how much I'm digging it. I listened to the whole thing on the same day that new albums from Kendrick and Big Ups and Bas dropped, so that should tell you something ;)

Hey louder, not to dredge up old shit, but I wanted to mention that I got the new issue of Rolling Stone in the mail yesterday, and it had a goddamn glowing review of The Life of Pablo. 4.5/5 stars, best reviewed album of the year so far for them, I think.

Anyway, I'm not here to gloat about the fact that the critical verdict is in, and unanimously positive among all major media publications** but I do think you should check out the Rolling Stone review, because it has an interesting take on the album's sloppiness, and despite the praise, it does nail Ye for trying to get "cheap laughs" and failing. But it frames all that's stuff in an interesting context, and I'd like to hear your input.

(** I will do a wee bit of gloat-free "summarizing," however: SPIN called it "essential," pitchfork and Rolling Stone gave it near perfect ratings, and CoS. NPR and the Guardian all praised it. :D )

Yeah, I'm loving it. It was a nice surprise.

I actually got a tip-off about the album on Wednesday or Thursday. Some dark corner of the AP wire had a short story about Spotify accidentally uploading a new release by Kendrick Lamar for a minute a day early, then taking it down. But I assumed it was a single or a Spotify Session or something, and didn't read past the headline.

There was also an article on Flipboard that I didn't notice until yesterday that was posted on Thurs. that said "New Kendrick Lamar album, out tomorrow, pre-order your copy today!" So it really shouldn't have been a surprise. If I'd been paying attention I could have spoiled it for everyone. Lol!

Super glad it was a surprise though. I woke up to the news, downloaded the album from iTunes immediately (just as I did when TPAB was released a week early) and it made for one exciting morning, I tell ya.

Did I mention that TLOP managed to DOUBLE the number of subscribers to TIDAL over a single 48 hour period?

Also, apparently Kanye is the one and only reason the album's streams weren't translated into sales. Billboard has updated its practices for certifying gold and platinum albums, and has a formula for translating streams into sales. TIDAL has release its figures to Billboard before, and according to Billboard, the only time they don't do that is if an artist explicitly requests that it not be done. That means Kanye prevented the album from making the charts himself.

It also means that Beyoncé (or perhaps Jay-Z) is responsible for the sales/streams of "Formation" not showing up on Billboard.

This appears to be sort of a deliberate move on behalf of this close knit group of artists. I wonder if it has something to do with #BlackLivesMatter/OscarSoWhite, etc. maybe it's a way to reclaim black music from The White Man and his system? I dunno.

Did I mention TLOP is the best reviewed album of the year so far despite not really quite being an album? :D

So happy to see a new Dipset fan.

Do you see where I'm coming from with the Wu comparison though? I'm not saying DI is a ripoff, it's got too much personality for that, but a lot of the songs have a very Wu-Tang circa late '90s feel to them from where I'm sitting. Do you agree or am I just batshit crazy?

Y'all let me know what you think of Bas - Too High to Riot ok? It's on Spotify and Apple and readily available for y'alls asses. Give it a spin and tell me if I done good or not.

Personally, I think I picked a winner here.

Yeah Sev I can see what you mean, both groups are from New York and "Who Am I" could qualify as a top emotional Ghostface song.

Yeah, I definitely hear Ghostface in there.

I guess that songs called "Who am I," I was calling it "Who I am" ... whoops.

Yeah, there have been a lot of "best rappers alive" in the past decade. According to those rappers, of course. But unlike Lil Wayne and Thug and whoever the hell else, Kendrick Lamar is, very clearly, the most technically proficient rapper around. Wayne may have been the biggest for a while, event the most interesting... maybe the others were too. But with Kendrick it's like... damn man. Dude's the Coltrane of flow. I like Kanye's music more, but Kendrick Lamar is without parallel in terms of skill. How the hell did he get so good?

Honestly. Remember way back when Eminem's flow seemed ungodly? Nothing Em has done can touch Kendrick on his off days. Seeing him live was electrifying, and he only had one album of material out at the time.

I've been thinking about the K and J Cole collab. a lot, and I think J's cool and all, but it's become clear to me (especially from his cameos on Too High to Riot) that Colr has stopped trying to be Jay-Z, or trying to emulate early Kanye, and that he has more or less decided to be Kendrick light.

After some real consideration, I would much rather see Kendrick do a split album with Chance. Their styles are complimentary, but drastically different. So that's the hip-hop collab I'm praying for right now. Fuck Drake and Future. Kendrick and Chance would be absolutely fucking EPIC.

No they sucked

Hah! Yes. I understand this now. But there was a time when a lot of people, including myself, thought he was incredible. Didn't realize just how bad he was (not technically bad, just musically and lyircally and conceptually bad) until I saw that video where he was falling off the building rapping about boring ass dramatic Christ-figure bullshit. When was that? That he basically became the Creed of rap? Way too conscious of his own "bigness"? Was that Encore? Whatever.

Yeah he sucks, but he didn't always suck as much as he sucks now and has sucked since... 1999. Ha!

There were a few moments on MMLPII that got my blood up, but that can happen with anyone. He's awful. Everything about him is terrible. I partially blame him for Lil Wayne's fall from grace. Em was scared that Wayne was better than he was (even rapped about it), and then he appeared on Rebirth and Wayne never sounded the same again.

Anyway, all I'm saying is that Kendrick makes it painfully obvious how utterly small many "technical" rappers really are. Em is a joke by comparison.

You guys really need to listen to this Bas record. Here, here's the title track:

Bas - "Too High to Riot" YouTube

Here's another joint:
Bas - "Methylone" (feat. Cozz) Official YouTube

This is an interesting album for 2016. It has drug themes, but doesn't promote drug use or necessarily speak out against it. It's very lyrical and philosophical, like something you'd hear in the late '90s during Talib and Mos's era. It has a definite underground feel to it, and it's a little spiritual, but it doesn't bash you over the head with hoodoo horseshit like the most recent Underachievers album. The production is clean and fresh, reminiscent of Lupe's Tetsuo & Youth at times, with that kind of Spring time, Gershwin feel. But the production is never the big show. It's along the lines of Kendrick and the few other rappers who are trying to talk about more than how great they are.

It sometimes sounds a bit dated to me, but maybe that's just because it's not club rap, and so much of what's out now is. There's a psychedelic feel to it that at times reminds me of At.Long.Last.A$AP.

I'm really eager to hear what you guys think. This release just kinda came out of nowhere for me, and I've been trying to proved it alongside several other new/recently purchased albums

*shrug*

New interview with Anderson fucking Paak on Pitchfork: http://pitchfork.com/features/rising...f-positive-rb/

All I'm saying is that Kendrick has totally destroyed Kanye for me. Very ardent supporter of Mr. West and many nights have been spent arguing his validity. But Kendrick totally took the feel of Pablo and upped it 1000%. Getting hard to defend Kanye after seeing it done the way its supposed to be done by Corn Row Kenny.

By the way, a total lurker here. Always come around to catch new stuff (Vince Staples etc etc). Might contribute more if I feel the urge. Hip hop is the only music coming out nowadays that I care about.

Would love to have an in-depth over view of the Nas discography if anyone's interested.

EDIT: Also I am very interested in Young Thug. I really do see how his delivery is cutting edge but I'm sick of dumb ass raps all about pussy. Maybe he'll listen to To Pimp a Butterfly and drop an actual LP.

you want like a breakdown of each album?

Yeah man, we can totally do a Nas thing if you want. Warning: it's not going to be pretty. His discography is all over the place, including some of the best hip hop ever made as well as some of the absolute most disappointing.

Hmm. I could waste my entire afternoon replying to this post. But listen man, Kanye and Kendrick aren't eve in the same sport, let alone the same league. Yeah, Kendrick is a more proficient rapper, but that's incredible obvious. Kanye makes exceptional pop music. Kendrick is an exceptional rapper. One doesn't need to cast out the other.

While there are things K can do that Ye cannot, there are more things Ye can do that K cannot (or at least has not) even shown an interest in doing yet. You're entitled to your opinion and all, but I'm a massive fan of both artists and I never feel the need to put one against the other, or even really think about that. Kendrick is going to orchestrate achievements like "Power" or "All of the Lights" and Kanye isn't going to make free jazz albums or work within a singular genre.

And what Kendrick project are you referring to that does TLOP better than TLOP? I'm confused.

Now i want to do this to compare my list to yours.

Yeah I don't really get the comparsions between Kanye and Kendrick, I've seen those on Twitter too. Completely different artists.

Both incredibly awesome artists that are making the of world hip hop worth living in. But to me they're as different as the Beatles and Bob Dylan.

http://noisey.vice.com/blog/bankroll...apper-obituary

Bankroll Fresh was shot and killed this weekend. 28 yrs old.

Yeah, heard about this. Don't know much about Bankroll Fresh, but it's always sad when this kind of shit happens. Makes me feel like we've learned nothing from '90s. Lil Wayne got shot up, King L took one to the head, and this time some kid is once again dead because of the fucked up, unbreakable affiliation our cherished hip-hop has with gang and drug culture.

Sometimes I think times are changing, other times I feel as though a million Kendrick Lamr laments couldn't change things. Fucking 28. Jesus.

Kanye Wear is done releasing CD's/vinyl/physical music.

According to Pitchfork, Ye posted several tweets to this effect last night, saying "no more CD's from me."

:confused:

Since I have no qualms with getting my hands on the music by any means necessary, I don't actually mind that much. In fact, maybe this will mean more music in the long run. Not having to worry about packaging, or how critics will respond to the inconsequential shit.

Who knows... Maybe we really will have a new project titled Turbo Grafx 16 as early as this summer.

Anyway, point is: NOISEREDUCTIONS! Listen to TLOP bro! For fuck's sake man, don't hold out for a mind/game change at this point. The fact that Ye deliberately kept his album off Billboard (along with Beyoncé) suggests that this is part of a plan that's already in motion.

Everybody's heard the album but you mang!

shot and killed at recording studio, just like Jam Master Jay.

A$AP Ferg - Always Strive And Prosper

NEW ALBUM COMING THIS MONTH

you know I read that yesterday and shook my head. I've always defended Ye's insanity. But I Feel like he's pushing my buttons for real right now. It's not even about the physical CD's man. It's about the monopoly. YOU HAVE TO SIGN UP FOR THIS ONE SERVICE TO GET THE ALBUM LEGALLY? Fuck that.

ps, I do love the Turbo Grafx 16 title. I had one when I was like 13.

pps, I wonder if NEC will go after him for copyright infringement haha.

Same here.

Whatever dudes.

So, you're mad that he released it on a different service than the one you already use. If it was a Spotify exclusive, I don't think you'd have any problem with this.

Free trial? I have already turned off my tidal renewal and I still have days left of free listening.

Anyway, best to just give up on Kanye, right? He did something you don't like and now you're both just acting like you're done. I appreciate that the situation is less than ideal, but fuck man... There's new music out there from an artist you used to love... What does not listening to it accomplish exactly?

Sorry, I just don't get it. It's new Kanye. Count your blessings that it even exists. I can't fathom waiting a single day to hear a new Kanye project.

Again, I just don't get it.

I know it's ridiculously immature, but I can't help but feel a bit betrayed. I know that's not fair, and I intellectually I know it's not the case. But this thread is a daily stop for me because of you guys, and we've had this bond over Ye forever. Now it's just me, rattling off shit about Kanye out loud to myself, while you guys get excited about Ferg and shit. (No offense to Ferg, but come on)

I feel like the café as I know and love it is dead. :(