I would suggest any former "Trump" supporters are really just dissatisfied Republicans who just realized they couldn't fake it any longer. The overwhelming majority of Trumpites seem to be very enthusiastic and fairly committed. Right now i would guess that more the 3/4 of the "undecided" are leftists who are chewing on Overlord Hillary or not.

My guess looking at the past year is that about 50-55% of electorate will vote Overlord Hillary, about 35-40% will vote Trump, and the rest (about 10%) will vote for various imaginary candidates as is their right to do.

More legit Republican expats which continues to convince me that Trump is going to get totally smashed with so many of the GOP leadership and voices of the past 10-15 years publicly going against him

https://theringer.com/six-reasons-co...8c5#.bziwfgjrf

Hillary's got a +2.6 in FL at the moment. Drumpf doesn't seem to have a chance in VA nor PA, so that's the winning trifecta. AS LONG AS YOU FUCKERS VOTE!

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...olls.html?_r=1

A version of BLM has emerged in the UK that has white members. Some of them were recently arrested after protesting at an airport in London on the grounds that "global warming is racist". That may or may not be true but personally, if I was a black person living in London right now, I could come up with plenty of things that're more racist than a depleted o-zone layer. But then I think Black lives actually matter far less to BLM-UK than their name suggests. Otherwise they'd do more to tackle actual issues that're really affecting them. Needless to say not one of those protesting at the airport was actually black.

the problem is that BlackLivesMatter has evolved beyond the actual organization and the media fails to accurately and honestly portray and explain what is going on. so people have many wildly different ideas about what it is, even those who use the hashtag or ostensibly say they support the movement.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/07/politi...p-women-vulgar

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"I moved on her and I failed. I'll admit it," Trump says in the newly-released audio. "I did try and fuck her. She was married."
"I moved on her like a bitch, but I couldn't get there. And she was married," Trump adds, after saying he took the woman -- who is identified only by her first name -- out furniture shopping.
"Then all of a sudden I see her, she's now got the big phony tits and everything. She's totally changed her look," Trump says of the woman.
The conversation took place as Trump arrived in a tour bus on the set of "Days of Our Lives," the soap opera where he was set to make a cameo appearance.
Before Trump stepped off the bus, he and Bush appear to see an actress from the soap opera who greets Trump and Bush.
"Whoa!" Trump says. "I've gotta use some tic tacs, just in case I start kissing her. You know I'm automatically attracted to beautiful -- I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait."
"And when you're a star they let you do it. You can do anything ... Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything," Trump says.
"Whatever you want," says another voice.

EXCELLENT. I'd love to say this is the final nail in the coffin, but this is Donald fucking Trump. So, to quote The Replacements with Tom Waits, "Might not help / It can't hurt"...

Yeah, the MSNBC crew keeps going on about how this admittedly disgusting crap is Trump's political Waterloo. I hope they're right but I doubt it.

haha! no man! I don't think so. yr high

that may be true but he can also be have a sense of humor ;)

Apparently the woman that Trump is speaking about to Billy Bush is his own former co-host Nancy O'dell. So imagine, you are a co-host of a national television show, and this guy goes around speaking lewdly about your co-host, does this guy not have the spine to tell Trump that he is speaking about someone he works with, and he doesn't say anything to tell him to stop? Its quite known that Nancy O'dell left Access Hollywood because of guys like another former co-host Pat O'Brien who was also known to make disgusting comments.

and you waste yr brain on this shit? we already know trump is a pig with tons of substantial evidence to support it. mega asshole.

not a word Clinton is a lair covering up smoking man shit. cause you guys just have to pick a side. I've read some of the bullshit ya'll have posted along with the fake lying news reports. thread is worse than Fox News supported by left assholes. you guys are game to set up to pull tricks. all of you that support this lying deceiving shit.

cause it's not yr fucking movement! why don't you stay the fuck out of it and let it be. what? you want to legislate it to built it up and make a part of congress? you want to hate it? digress and become a racist?

your ass is going to get trampled on no matter what party you think yr for when it comes to this. it's a sour poor no end perfect storm movement breeding stupidity, violence, hate and fear. you've clearly seen the damage it's done. vote for Clinton and expect the same transgression of the things you see now. weather by the citizens or non law abiding cops. issues that are old as America itself.

I want to announce that I cannot condone Mr trumps recent statements, and I do not intend to vote for him. Thank you.

I appreciate a classic "October surprise" and am very happy that our side had some sharp knives in their togas, unlike the feckless campaigns of Gore and Kerry

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_surprise

I love that Drumpf and the Republicans are in a state of pathetic implosion at the moment (The GOP was just a party and parties weren't meant 2 last...), but October Surprises have seriously devolved: 1972 was about war and peace, life or death; 2016 is Access Hollywood, "fuck" and "pussy".

headed for the debate at the country club again, should be hilarious. I like these debate watch parties, great to be around all those folks who think the same ;)

Robert DeNiro wants to punch Trump IN THE FACE.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfW2TiPAKsw

You don't fuck with Raging Bull!

at this point i don't see benito the huffer making any sort of appeal to the undecideds, but rather just hammering talking points for his crazy base.

this is of course great.

and what the fuck is up with the fucking huffing?

he's leaning against a chair--low stamina...

amazing! I thought my brain was going to explode with giddiness the first 20 minutes. I felt Trump supporters being duked once again with him silently going off the rails like the *sniff* trainwreck that he *sniff* is. what a stupid bully with no couth time bomb that guy is with weak bad boy retorts with no contradicting good points that could help him. Hillary held good ground. you gots to love being an American after this. all gold! still not voting for either.

this thread has got the dust blown ghost town blues. not even a clik clak of spur boots on hardwood is heard.

in the grub corner the Soup Nazis has gone neuron from too much winning thrills to the synapses. Such was going to buy Mexican garbs but past out from a kush coma. *#*%& is busy tossing bean salads for tomorrow's lunch boarding with whores.

ghost town atmosphere abounds. smoking man leaves trails that he was here.

flies love shite.

this debate was like all other debates, total nonsense. Debates are an antiquated 19th century publicity stunt and excuse to create press copy. In the 19th century debates and public speeches were just choreographed opportunities for press releases that could be published across the nation, especially after the Civil War and the advent of the telegraph.

Today it is essentially an anachronism, pointless and out of place. We don't need these staged events to get press copy and material. Indeed no one ever even "wins" these things, Trump supporters will come out of this feeling great like "see he totally stuck it to that lying bitch!" meanwhile all of the Democrats have been having a victory dance as if Overlord Hillary said anything substantial or uplifting last night.

She really didn't silence Trump or address the criticisms he threw at her, those Feel the Bern people who don't like her will certainly not like her any more now, probably somewhat less because Trump leveled the kinds of accusations that they agree with. Its not that they will support Trump so much as they will not be enthused to support Overlord Hillary.

I vote in 2020 we finally abandon meaningless 19th century political theater and do something that works?

i disagree with this, especially in the TV age. debates used to be reproduced in the newspaper in the XIX century, nowadays we can see for ourselves.

it's not really about who's prettier, it's about getting information about the candidates the same way that those who work with them do-- in "person".

sure, it's staged, but you can still glean a lot from visual information. how do they operate under pressure? do they huff and hyperventilate? do they hold up well when in a difficult spot? are they witty, or dense?

and then there's body language which is how we transmit 90% of what we say in real life.

we're wired to take in oodles more information from body language than we do from words alone-- and printed words are just abstractions. so we can learn from the candidates a lot more than they want to say.

here a couple of illuminating examples from last night:

see what? What did we see last night or last week that we haven't seen already, what did we learn that we didn't already know? Last night by every single definition of was a complete and dismal waste of time.



Again we have plenty of other opportunities for that. These debates are just a publicity stunt. Its what they ALWAYS have been across American history, they just are less necessary than ever now that we have so much other access to information, video, and other feedback from the candidates.


If its not real and inconsequential then what pressure is there exactly?

Its not that you're wrong its that we have so much other access to video of the candidates, so the debates tell us NOTHING new at all. What did we learn last night that we didn't already know? What did we learn about Mitt Romney or Obama that we didn't already know in 2012? What did we learn about John McCain or Obama that we didn't already know in 2008? What did we learn about Bush II or John Kerry that we didn't already know in 2004? What did we learn about Gore or Bush II in 2000 that we didn't already know??


Look I get it, you really like politics, but I also know you are smart enough to totally understand what I am saying here.

19th century politics is and will continue to be an anachronism in the 21st century. We don't need these events to get the press copy, and reading the news today reminds us all the more of just how antiquated this approach is! The newspapers and sites are just rehashing a bunch of dribble from last night. Now in 1876 we needed this information because there was little access otherwise, now? its a 24/7 newscycle with market saturation we don't need mindless political theater simply because its tradition

Debates go back to ancient Athens, at least. Rich tradition. Get over it dude.

I walked in with confidence. I left noticing my pants unzipped.:o

agree. no real issues were debated. instead they were picking on each other. the real winner was anyone who skipped the debate. although I have to say she is really experienced in talking (lying, whatever) you can see how experienced she is on giving talks. whereas him when with her he seems to be way worse in giving talk. he wasn't really giving straight answers, rather changing subject and go with his memorized lines.



(my highlight of the debate) post pussy analysis:

 

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to greenlight again.



Overlord Hillary's new campaign advisor on foreign policy

^^ straw pope, diversion tactics. evollove won that debate, you can't deny.

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fun stuff to read with the post-lunch coffee:

2 body language experts discuss the debate
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...mepage%2Fstory

plus the big news of the day (so far), paul ryan dumps trump:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...d-of-election/

anyone who's anyone that can see crystal clear and not living with malfunctions saw this. it's not hard to intuitively see this with live TV. what is awesome was the cosmically comical cringeworthy nature of it all. the looks on Clinton's face, the vibes, the bullying, the megalomania completeness of Trumps lucky life, the laughter of other countries, the reminder of psycho passive - aggressive arguments between the sexes. history gold!!!

like watching a subdued disagreement between couples while one being more articulate to the others' barbarism. neither win. both look like fools.

Don't know about you, but I'm exhausted. No more politics until Thursday or Friday, which is when the next bombshell(s) should drop.

Can't say I blame you. I look forward to hearing from a lot of women who have been sexually accosted by Drumf--probably enough to make Bill Clinton look like a choirboy by comparison, as if what Bill Clinton did or didn't do has any relevance to the 2016 election.

The presidential "debates" the US has been subjected to since 1976 aren't real debates like some of us studied and participated in at school. They're more like joint press conferences with professional wrestling-type arguing thrown in. I don't think Drumpf did anything other than play to his base, which is a useless gesture. They would vote for him if he literally rubbed shit in their faces. As for non-sound bite considerations, Clinton showed a command of the issues and in-depth knowledge of them. Drumpf, on the other hand, said that Russia is new to the nuclear game, that Russia, Syria and Iran would be great allies in fighting ISIS, ad naseum. All he can do is engage in insults, or, as he did last night, prepared insults. He is not only grossly immature and dangerous, he is profoundly ignorant. Anyone who votes for him, or insists that there is rough equivalency between Drumpf and HRC, has every right to feel stupid.

no this is actually what they more or less have always been

Not exactly sure what you're referring to--televised US presidential debates? I didn't say "since 1960" because even though that was the first one, there was a sixteen year gap until they became a permanent part of the landscape in 1976. And I've seen taped portions of the 1960 debate--Kennedy and Nixon acted more or less like adults. I didn't think Nixon had it in him.

If you mean US presidential debates in general, I think Lincoln's debates were of a much higher quality than the ones on television.

As for debates in general, a proper debate, where one side supports a premise and the other attacks it, can be very enlightening and bears no relationship to Andre The Giant threatening Hulk Hogan.

exhausted!? you might as well just retire for the next four or so years. lol!

the debates were much more exciting than the next 30 or so days. break out that hammock. get some sun. enjoy life. unless a hail mary happens.

you mean the n (not napalm) bombs?

i don't want hillary to win by KO just yet. i don't want benito to quit just yet.

just demolish him slowly, win every round by points... knock him out november 8.