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Skuj 12.05.2022 10:27 AM

Whappen? (I'm travelling).

The Trumpy Court decides on State Legislator powers today - you know, that one where the Trumpy people want the power to control election ballots. Gee - I wonder how they'll decide.

Skuj 12.05.2022 10:35 AM

Warnock is going to pull this off tomorrow, right? Whenever I hear Walker speak, I cannot comprehend how it can be a close race. And naturally, he is another Trumpy pick. It's so wonderful that the Trumpy picks have massively failed. A Warnock win tomorrow would be a wondeful finale.

Skuj 12.05.2022 03:01 PM

Yay!! Trump is holding a rally for Walker tonight!! :)

Edit: Actually he's calling ino a tele-rally. But still.

Skuj 12.06.2022 06:34 PM

Trump Org found guilty of tax fraud.

This is a great day for people that hate Donald Fucking Trump.

(Come on Warnock!)

The Soup Nazi 12.06.2022 06:57 PM

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Trump Org found guilty of tax fraud.

This is a great day for people that hate Donald Fucking Trump.


You could (almost) remove 45 from that sentence. It's a great day for justice, period.

!@#$%! 12.06.2022 09:57 PM

and speaking of justice, cristina kirchner was found guilty of corruption today and was sentenced to six years.

she's got temporary immunity while she's vp and her appeals last though xD

The Soup Nazi 12.06.2022 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!
and speaking of justice, cristina kirchner was found guilty of corruption today and was sentenced to six years.


Wow, hadn't seen this. :eek:

Piñera [ETA: aka Piranha] should be in jail now, but the Senate saved him. Sounds familiar?

The Soup Nazi 12.06.2022 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Skuj
(Come on Warnock!)


Alright, we won. 52-48 was the ideal in order to neutralize Manchinema, but I'll take it.

!@#$%! 12.06.2022 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by The Soup Nazi
Alright, we won. 52-48 was the ideal in order to neutralize Manchinema, but I'll take it.

YEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSS!!!

i could not sleep waiting for this

well congrats to all earthlings, and happy dreams

alikaka 12.08.2022 08:16 AM

To be honest, I don't much like talking about politics, but I really like reading about what people write and listening to other people's opinions.

The Soup Nazi 12.09.2022 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by The Soup Nazi
52-48 was the ideal in order to neutralize Manchinema


TOLD YA.

The Soup Nazi 12.09.2022 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by The Soup Nazi


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Nation Shocked to Learn That Kyrsten Sinema Had Been a Democrat

WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—Across the country, Americans awoke on Friday to the shocking news that Kyrsten Sinema had been a Democrat.

In interviews from coast to coast, citizens expressed a combination of puzzlement and disbelief at the bombshell that the Arizona senator had had any sort of affiliation with the Democratic Party.

“I saw her on TV saying that she had been a Democrat, but maybe she misspoke?” Tracy Klugian, who lives in Miami, said. “Politicians mess up like that all the time.”

“I’m definitely going to have to Google ‘Kyrsten Sinema’ and ‘Democrat,’ ” Carol Foyler, a resident of St. Louis, said. “It seems like some kind of a hoax.”

“If it turns out that she actually was a Democrat, it must have been painful for her to keep it a secret for so many years,” Harland Dorrinson, who lives in Topeka, said.

For her part, Senator Sinema promised the residents of Arizona that her departure from the Democratic Party would be a net gain for them. “I swear to you today, I will be even more irritating as an Independent,” she vowed.

The Soup Nazi 12.09.2022 07:14 PM

More seriously this time:

Kyrsten Sinema Formally Enrolls in the Party of Wall Street and Big Pharma

The senator’s switch to “independent” aligns her more completely with the special interests that she has so diligently represented since coming to the chamber.

!@#$%! 12.09.2022 07:32 PM

tempest in a teapot. schumer had it right, he said she's always been independent.

this is no surprise, it's just a change of label. she votes with democrats most times, but sometimes she doesn't, and now she's apparently just trying to avoid getting primaried or something.

bernie is also not a democrat, but can nevertheless reliably caucus with them.

arizonans are never gonna be berniebros. same as west virginians btw--it's actually a miracle that manchin is still there. the other w. va. senator is a republican and trump won there with almost 70% of the vote in 2020. arizona is barely purple sometimes and only recently.

besides, it's very possible that synema and manchin were right in not wanting to pump 4 **trillion** dollars into the economy, considering the current rate of inflation.

modern monetary theory which ignorant people think means "free money" actually requires taxes in order to control the money supply. but raising taxes in the american congress is super hard and slow, so all we have left is... "classic" (i guess?) monetary regulation by the fed's technocrats, who are free to operate as they see fit. of course their method is based on human sacrifice (increasing unemployment). ugly for sure, but you can't just have an unlimited money supply because that would destroy the economy for all. the liz truss fiasco is fresh in everyone's memory i presume?

so, regarding reality: it is what it is. just the labels changed.

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ps i'm overdue for reading a financial times piece about the insane amount of debt great britain is going to have to issue in coming years. they're wondering who's going to want to buy those bonds. great britain: the next argentina!

!@#$%! 12.10.2022 01:35 PM

a disturbing snippet from "the economist":

At age 19, Itamar Ben-Gvir was Israel’s most toxic political activist. He had been the leader of the youth wing of the far-right, anti-Arab Kach party when the Israeli government designated it a terrorist organisation in 1994. A year later he was tainted by the assassination of Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin. He had no part in the murder, by a Jewish extremist furious about Rabin’s attempts to compromise with the Palestinians. But weeks earlier Mr Ben-Gvir had vandalised the prime minister’s car and boasted on television that “we got to his car, we’ll get to him too.”

Now aged 46, Mr Ben-Gvir will soon be made national security minister in the incoming government of Binyamin Netanyahu. He was once considered too dangerous to be conscripted into the army; now he will lead Israel’s police, which previously investigated him for inciting violence. To many, his rehabilitation symbolises the hard-right turn of Israeli politics.

Mr Ben-Gvir’s mission has been to make palatable a movement regarded by nearly all Israelis as beyond the pale. Raised in an affluent suburb near Jerusalem, he moved to a Jewish settlement in the occupied West Bank. He opened a law practice that specialised in representing radical Jews accused of anti-Arab terrorism. He joined another party, Jewish Power, on a platform softened just enough to comply with rules prohibiting political parties from inciting racism. After years of leading groups of thugs in the streets of Jerusalem crying “Death to the Arabs!” he began correcting them to shout “Death to the terrorists!” instead.

But the rebranding wasn’t enough: in 2020 the party received only 19,000 votes. Its salvation came from Mr Netanyahu, who in his quest for a right-wing majority pressured Jewish Power to merge its candidate list with those of two other far-right parties. The new “Religious Zionism” list, which Mr Ben-Gvir co-leads, won 14 seats at the election in November, making it a critical part of Mr Netanyahu’s coalition.

Mr Ben-Gvir is trying to project a more moderate image, promising that as security minister “we will make sure law-abiding Arabs are secure as well”. But his election-night message revealed his long-held beliefs: “It’s time for us to return to being the landlords of our country.”



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oy vavoy... :(

The Soup Nazi 12.11.2022 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!
a disturbing snippet from "the economist":

At age 19, Itamar Ben-Gvir was Israel’s most toxic political activist. He had been the leader of the youth wing of the far-right, anti-Arab Kach party when the Israeli government designated it a terrorist organisation in 1994. A year later he was tainted by the assassination of Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin. He had no part in the murder, by a Jewish extremist furious about Rabin’s attempts to compromise with the Palestinians. But weeks earlier Mr Ben-Gvir had vandalised the prime minister’s car and boasted on television that “we got to his car, we’ll get to him too.”

Now aged 46, Mr Ben-Gvir will soon be made national security minister in the incoming government of Binyamin Netanyahu. He was once considered too dangerous to be conscripted into the army; now he will lead Israel’s police, which previously investigated him for inciting violence. To many, his rehabilitation symbolises the hard-right turn of Israeli politics.

Mr Ben-Gvir’s mission has been to make palatable a movement regarded by nearly all Israelis as beyond the pale. Raised in an affluent suburb near Jerusalem, he moved to a Jewish settlement in the occupied West Bank. He opened a law practice that specialised in representing radical Jews accused of anti-Arab terrorism. He joined another party, Jewish Power, on a platform softened just enough to comply with rules prohibiting political parties from inciting racism. After years of leading groups of thugs in the streets of Jerusalem crying “Death to the Arabs!” he began correcting them to shout “Death to the terrorists!” instead.

But the rebranding wasn’t enough: in 2020 the party received only 19,000 votes. Its salvation came from Mr Netanyahu, who in his quest for a right-wing majority pressured Jewish Power to merge its candidate list with those of two other far-right parties. The new “Religious Zionism” list, which Mr Ben-Gvir co-leads, won 14 seats at the election in November, making it a critical part of Mr Netanyahu’s coalition.

Mr Ben-Gvir is trying to project a more moderate image, promising that as security minister “we will make sure law-abiding Arabs are secure as well”. But his election-night message revealed his long-held beliefs: “It’s time for us to return to being the landlords of our country.”



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oy vavoy... :(


"It is what it is... The two-state solution is pie in the sky... Let the electoral markets work... This is Realpolitik..." ;):D

!@#$%! 12.11.2022 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by The Soup Nazi
"It is what it is... The two-state solution is pie in the sky... Let the electoral markets work... This is Realpolitik..." ;):D

well, this is not a mere change of label. it's a clear and definitive change of personnel. you can see it's different, yes? the lunatic is in charge of the asylum. very bad news.

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as for the mention of realpolitik and the two state solution (i know it was in mockery but...) hamas in control of gaza and shooting rockets with support from (a near-nuclear) iran... has to play a part in israel's turn to the right, don't you think?

i mean, in spite of peace and democracy ideals people might hold, pragmatic concerns tend to take priority under duress. this of course plays into the hands of hardliners... and here we are now (entertain us).

and of course, yes, let elections work! because what else? why, i can't even... what did you mean there?

The Soup Nazi 12.11.2022 07:01 PM

Fact Check: No, Obama Wasn't Guarded by a Reptilian Secret Service Agent

Just to be clear, you know.

!@#$%! 12.12.2022 01:38 PM

fresh(ish) analysis of how kari lake lost arizona by embracing trumpism

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...ke-trump-loss/

tldr: it looks loke arizonans would have easily chosen a non-extremist republican, but she hanged herself from trump's tree instead. well this is the same as i said above lol. just more filler. lots of data & sources quoted in the article though.

tw2113 12.12.2022 01:57 PM

And then there's the Kyrsten Sinema drama going on in Arizona as well.


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